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Rear brakes are wearing out every couple of thousand miles. What am I missing

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by dhman2006, Apr 1, 2017.

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    My 2011 Toyota Prius has only 54K miles on it. I'm averaging about 9-10K miles annually in Boston's stop and go traffic. Even though I've only had to change my brakes once on my '05 Prius (105K miles) I've already went through 2 sets of brake pads and 1 set of rotors on my 2011 Prius. All of these excessive brake wears tend to be happening on the rear side. Front brakes seem to be just fine. Since brakes on Prius are supposed to last 100K miles or so what could be reason for excessive brake wear on my 2011 Prius? And why the rear side only?
     
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    probably rust. can you give us a detail of what was replaced at what mileage?
     
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    The brakes are most likely dragging, wearing out the pads prematurely, and decreasing your mileage. Get them checked/serviced.

    Jack up the rear of the car, release the parking brake, your rear wheels should be able to spin freely with minimal, if any drag from the brake pads.
     
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    I replaced both rear brake pad sets and rotors at around 26K miles and then replaced the driver side of brake pads at around 45K miles. Now the passenger side brakes are making a screeching noise. So I'm going to have to replace those brakes soon, at around 54K.
     
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    Why would the brakes drag? What could be the possible cause(s)?
     
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    Who's doing the replacement? If you: are you positioning the calliper piston cross pattern correctly?
     
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    I had a seized caliper on my 2010. Brake drag was awful.

    I ended up sourcing a used caliper from a salvage yard, replaced it myself.

    So....this could be your issue
     
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    are you lubing the slide pins?
     
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    I've been doing the replacement and I think I've been doing it properly. I bought a rotating cube to push in the piston. It's almost impossible to put the brakepads in if I don't push in the piston.
     
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    I think that's the issue. I've tried taking apart the whole caliper assembly, lubed the pin (eventually replacing the pin). I think next step is changing the whole caliper. I might as well take your route
     
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    I understand. Just wondering: are you positioning the cross pattern so that the pin on inner pad backing plate falls between the spokes of that pattern. This is critical to avoid drag, uneven wear and premature pad wear out.
     
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    I'm not sure what you mean. Do you happen to have a picture of what you're talking about? Sorry I'm a visual person... :(
     
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    mendel has a whole library. hang on...
     
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    Hah was going to say can do, later, then look down the the page at the linked threads and what do I find:

    New rear pads and rotors 2010 prius-DIY-Here's how | PriusChat

    Here's a repeat of pic from above link. Red dot represents pin on pad back:

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    Red dot shown at 6 o'clock, might actually be at 12 o'clock, but you get the picture: that's how piston must be oriented, and the pin needs to stay solidly locked into the pattern thus. You want to get it well seated by brake pedal application, take a test drive, and only after apply the parking brake. To test: raise the back end and see that the wheels spin semi freely.
     
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    Make sure the pads are sitting on that red nipple. :D
     
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    Here's an inner pad, cleaned and reassembled. You can still see the imprint of the piston spokes, and pin on back of pad. The pin the prevents the piston from rotating. If it does manage to rotate, and the pin rides up on a spoke, then you no longer have uniform pressure:

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    Here's a pulled off caliper, with the piston in the wrong orientation:

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    And what the inside pad can look like after a few months of the pin riding up on a spoke. The outer edge of pad (and the pin) are near my thumb. Note the wear is all on the outer 50%, constanly dragging too. The rest of the pad, on the inside, is picking up rust from the unused portion of the rotor:

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    And how the inside face of the rotor looks:

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    Basically I messed up when I first looked at the rear brakes, paid no attention to the piston orientation, and this is how it looked about 6 months later. What I did then was take the rotors right off, burnish them well with steel wool. New rotors would be good, but I'm cheap, and they had plenty of thickness still. Then installed brand new pads, and made really sure the piston pattern was oriented correctly, and locked in.

    They sounded like heck at first, very noisy every time brakes were applied, within a week or two you'd never know, back to normal.
     
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    Thank you very much for all of your help. I definitely didn't know about that pin orientation. This has been really helpful. I'm gonna have to look at the pin and the pad this weekend and see is that has been the source of all of my problems.
     
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    Thanks a lot folks. I've learned quite a lot from all of your inputs. I'm gonna take a look at the pin orientation and the pads this weekend and see is that has been the source of all of my problems. Thank you all very much for all of your help thus far.
     
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    I think my calipers are frozen. Took the wheel off today and tried rotating the rotors and sure enough they were very tough to rotate. I think that's a sure sign of frozen rotor, but any input will be appreciated.
     
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    I think you found your cause;).