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Regeneration in B

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by maggieddd, Nov 22, 2005.

  1. maggieddd

    maggieddd Senior Member

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    Just like I stated in the topic. Does the battery regenerate the same as if I was using regular breaking or less?
     
  2. efusco

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    Man, we had a huge thread on the details of B mode just a few weeks back...but I know how lousy the search function can be at times.

    As usual, the answer is "it depends".

    B-mode has few legitimate uses. If you're unsure whether to use it or not you're usually better off not using it at all.

    Here's a quote from a thread by Wayne Brown that should help answer your question:

    `D' DECELERATION vs. `B' DECLERATION
    Generally, if allowed by the HV Battery ECU via SOC level, `D'
    deceleration will provide about 20 Amps worth of regenerative energy
    & generally, `B' will provide close to 30 Amps. Most people seeing
    these two values instantly rationalize that it is a no-brainer
    that `B' is always the better choice. Ironically, `B' is almost
    never the better choice. Now let's see why.

    `B' INVOLVES UNECCESSARY ICE FRICTION & WASTES ENERGY
    Most people know that `B' causes the ICE RPM to spin up and then
    uses the rotational friction provided by the spinning ICE to assist
    in decelerating the Prius. Many people feel that the extra 10 amps
    generally provided by `B' offsets the frictional losses that the ICE
    is wasting as heat. This simply is not correct. Many people figure
    that using `B' will minimize brake wear. In the majority of
    deceleration events, this too is not the case.

    `D' or `D' + BRAKING IS ALMOST ALWAYS BEST
    In almost all cases, Prius operators, especially those with HSD
    equipped Prius, should shun the old idea that their brakes need to
    be protected by choosing `B' over `D.' In almost all cases,
    choosing to use `D' + brakes until the SOC is full, will not
    increase brake wear whatsoever. In almost all cases, using `B' will
    waste a significant amount of ICE spun energy that could have been
    captured if the operator had chosen to use `D' + braking instead.
    In almost all cases, using `B' causes unnecessary wear to the ICE.

    USING `D' + BRAKING TO MATCH DECELERATION OF `B'
    Using `D'+ Braking to match the deceleration that `B' alone provides
    captures significantly more energy. Using D+ Braking in HSD
    equipped Prius to match the deceleration of `B' alone will not cause
    any wear to the brakes whatsoever.

    `D' + BRAKING IS EVEN BEST IN THS EQUIPPED PRIUS
    In THS equipped cars, hundreds of very intelligent users have tested
    for thousands of miles & determined, very clearly, that the energy
    captured using D+ Braking far offsets the minimal brake wear that
    they get in their THS equipped cars.

    WHEN, IF EVER, DO WE USE `B'
    In almost all cases, choosing to use `B' after the SOC `tops off,'
    is pretty much the only time that using `B' makes any sense at all.


    Entire Thread

    Short and sweet answer is that you can regenerate more with just the brakes than with B-mode, but occasionally B-mode will perform better...but those conditions are rare.
     
  3. Tempus

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    I thought we had established, via both the Prius_Tech guys and the Japanese Hypermilers that "B" when engaged below 20 MPH does not spin the ice, but instead selects 'max regeneration' as its mode of braking.
     
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    Below 20mph B does not spin the ICE...that is correct assuming the ICE wasn't spinning when you entered B-mode. If it was spinning, even below 20mph, at the moment you enter B-mode, B-mode will not allow the ICE to stop spinning...not until you're stopped--at least that's my understanding.

    But the amount of regen is less than is possible (note I said possible) with manual braking. The problem is that at those speeds very little regen is possible in either case unless you're maintaining that speed down a very long slope.