"Sabotage in Wartime"

Is the title of an editorial today which is linked below:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/...in_wartime.html

Here are the two concluding paragraphs of that editorial:

" In a rare but revealing slip, Democratic Congressman James Clyburn said that an American victory in Iraq "would be a real big problem for us" in the 2008 elections.

Unwilling to take responsibility for ending the war by cutting off the money to fight it, as many of their supporters want them to, Congressional Democrats have instead tried to sabotage the prospects of victory by seeking to micro-manage the deployment of troops, delaying the passing of appropriations -- and now this genocide resolution that is the latest, and perhaps lowest, of these tactics.

I bring this issue up because the Wall Street Journal also made mention of it on its editorial page. It has gathered much interest because of the overwhelming majority of former Secretaries of State and other public officials including the White House have asked House Speaker Pelosi to table this bill - all to NO avail.

Another post on this BB earlier makes reference of Turkey's impending move into Iraq and a possible Turk - Kurdish war. Also, it is a well known fact that a large volume of our supplies headed to Iraq transit through Turkey. Also known, Turkey has been an excellent ally of ours. If this bill comes to a vote - or worse - passes or comes even close to passing - what will the effects be? In my opinion - the only results will be extraordinarily damaging to the US, to our effort in the war on terror, to our efforts in Iraq, to our relationship with Turkey, to a spreading of this conflict, etc. I see NO GOOD to this Bill.

The question is why Speaker Pelosi and other Democrats are pushing this Bill at this time? I for one am left with the impression that she is attempting to, paraphrasing this topic title, sabotage this war and perhaps to damage this Presidency - no matter what the cost(s).

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lefat1 @ Oct 16 2007, 08:29 AM) [snapback]526269[/snapback]</div>

Any comments about my post above?

Interesting, you believe Speaker Pelosi speaks for all Americans? What about the President of the United States?

Also, you refer to the "power of the purse" - please elaborate....

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Oct 16 2007, 09:03 AM) [snapback]526277[/snapback]</div>

I think if they want to push the central theme of recognizing another countries genocide they should start with something more recent and close to our history - like - what the Japanese did to their neighbors peri-WWII.

I still am left in total wonderment of Speaker Pelosi and the lack of MSM response to this - I do not think the NY Times has touched on this at all recently.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lefat1 @ Oct 16 2007, 09:40 AM) [snapback]526296[/snapback]</div>

seriously, explain what you mean by the power of the purse - or how you would choose to use it.

I disagree about your statement re: victory in Iraq 100% - but I view the war in Iraq as a battle in the overall war on terror.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(eagle33199 @ Oct 16 2007, 09:55 AM) [snapback]526304[/snapback]</div>

hence my post - gives everyone a chance to speak up on this issue. so far not ONE person is backing Pelosi or her minions on this issue.

bush will not win or lose the war on terror - the free world will.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(PA Prius @ Oct 16 2007, 10:41 AM) [snapback]526328[/snapback]</div>

I dont understand not being able to win wars. please explain?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(PA Prius @ Oct 16 2007, 10:41 AM) [snapback]526328[/snapback]</div>

Q? Is it possible to lose a war?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(eagle33199 @ Oct 16 2007, 10:52 AM) [snapback]526336[/snapback]</div>

I was hoping that the person whose post i was responding to would have posted a response.

I was hoping for people to look at this above the individuals level since war is usually a thing conducted by large groups of people - i was hoping we could look at this issue from a national perspective.

by your analogy, everybody who drives a car is a bigger loser than any of our soldiers who fought in war since more are killed and maimed while driving than in combat. in any event, again, i would keep this to a national perspective.

Are their winners and / or losers in war?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(eagle33199 @ Oct 16 2007, 11:31 AM) [snapback]526362[/snapback]</div>

If there are no losers in war:

1. Did the Nazi's lose WWII?
2. Did the Japanese lose WWII?
3. Did the Americans lose WWII?
4. Did the North lose the Civil War?
5. Did the South lose the Civil War?

Keeping it real simple here in terms of recent wars.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lefat1 @ Oct 16 2007, 11:21 AM) [snapback]526357[/snapback]</div>

I would like to stick to the topic i posted. thank you for opinion on Speaker Pelosi's "sabotaging in wartime" - not one person here backs what she is doing. that says a lot, a real lot.

and imho - you are not keeping your eye on the ball here. the war on terror is a worldwide conflict with the war in iraq just one battlefront.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(eagle33199 @ Oct 16 2007, 11:45 AM) [snapback]526369[/snapback]</div>

So the United States did not win WWII?
and
The North did not win the Civil War?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(PA Prius @ Oct 16 2007, 11:45 AM) [snapback]526368[/snapback]</div>

Did humankind win by defeating the Nazi's?