SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

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  1. bisco

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    i'm comfortable comparing covid danger to flu danger. car accidents have too many variables a virus does not have, and vice versa
     
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    Experts Advising FDA Vote Against Pfizer COVID Booster

    In a preliminary vote, a panel of advisers to the Food and Drug Administration recommended against approval of a booster dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for people 16 years and older.

    The meeting is continuing and there may be another vote on boosters for a limited age group.

    FDA Expert Panel Votes Against Pfizer COVID Booster : Coronavirus Updates : NPR
     
  3. ETC(SS)

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    Votes are always fair and apolitical, right? :ROFLMAO:

    Federal gov. to take over monoclonal antibody dose distribution

    Notice!
    Dubiously sourced.

    Interesting stuff, monoclonal antibodies.
    Wonder where they come from?

    No response from PITA for the sudden 'blue-stating' of the monoclonal antibodies.
     
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    Certain politicians would have many believe science is generally done in a partisan political way, but generally it is not. Hundreds of thousands dead in US alone related to this topic. Topic of immunizations and who/when/how often to vaccinate is not humorous, sorry you feel that way.

    News organization is not the source. It was selected on purpose as a pass through of FDA source so at least one PC contributor here on other side of Pacific could see post, if interested.
     
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  5. ETC(SS)

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    ^This is SUPPOSEED to be the science and data channel.
    670,000 dead in the US.
    4.55 million in the world, total most of whom are still waiting around for their first shot.

    If they have to "take a vote" to decide whether or not the data support a third jab - then why not tranche those doses out to where they can do the MOST good....that is.....according to the "science."
    I thought I remembered data suggesting efficacies in the mid 80's for dose # 1, and upper 90's two weeks after dose 2.
    I'm SURE I remember something like that.

    The funny part of all of this is that there are still people clinging to the myth of Big Science being apolitical.
    The news organization was MY source, and the contributor in question is behind the bamboo curtain, so we already know that (a) inbound data are filtered and so sometimes....links, aren't and (b) persons who have a Social Credit Score to defend or explain also have to "filter."
    Probably not - but some form of selection is prudent.

    FORTUNATELY - none of this ever happens outside of the 'middle kingdom' 'eh?
    ;)
     
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    Are you claiming the expert FDA panel vote I referenced in #4762 was political?

    Or instead that the saddest part of all of this is believing the partisan Big Lie that such is true when generally it is not?
     
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  9. ETC(SS)

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    Nope.
    Not at all.
    Voting is entirely apolitical....;)

    Which Big Lie is that?
    If you're talking about Russian collusion, I do not think that this has very much to do with epidemiology or the treatment of pandemic (endemic diseases?).....and, I completely concur with the FDA's "vote" that third doses for less vulnerable people might be juice that's not quite worth the squeeze.

    The AAP, I fear, might be getting out over their skis a little bit if my reading of the childhood vulnerability for this bug is correct (1:100,000 sound about right?)
     
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    Once again, this one:
    Have asked many of my (now dead unvaccinated) COVID patients why they did not get vaccinated and that Big Lie is a very common answer. Someone(s) told them the scientists were liars and politically motivated, but turns out it was only the politicians who sold them that death sentence lie.
     
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    why should states that eschew safety measures (and in fact go to court to fight against them)

    get unlimited supplies of monoclonal antibodies?

    do your part in protecting your population first, instead of filling hospitals and overworked front line health care workers.

    then use the antibodies as a last resort. it is not political, it is proven science
     
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    So I guess anyone who criticizes science is now
    So now......anyone who DARES to question science, IN ANY WAY must pay, eh?

    Sounds familiar somehow.....
    [​IMG]

    I don't remember the exact details, but Kurson't book "Rocket Men" mentioned at least one of those astronauts being commended by Pope Paul VI on the very spot that Galileo was found "vehemently suspect of heresy" by the Roman Inquisition, and sentenced to house arrest for the rest of his life for heliocentric beliefs.

    If you know people who died because they did not take the vaccine after dot.gov told them that it was safe and effective, then I'm sorry for your loss, but part of that is on them......and I seem to remember "some" politicians casting dispersions on project Warp Speed before the political shift in polarity.

    Me?
    I lost friends who never got the shot because there were none yet available.
    I suspect that this is still going on in other parts of the world.......

    Be that as it may, that's a political question.

    Speaking scientifically......if the first dose provides "some" protection, for some period of time (84%/8-10 months?) would it not be wise to do as some other nations have done (Most famously, the UK) and concentrate on first doses....first?
    Who knows....MAYBE even stop some of the other Greek letters from getting STARTED???

    The UK is also post delta.
    What do the numbers say?

    Bend them as you will..... ;)
     
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    i think we are concentrating on first doses, should they be mandatory, or should we be incentivizing with free guns?
     
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    Actually, the antibodies are used as a first resort after a positive test.
    If one believes that COVID is somewhat contagious, should not medicines be given to the sick AS they are sick, or do you let them infect others, overwork hospital staff, etc.?

    The way these treatments (were) used before being federalized was that a "covid" center would test all people on a drive through basis.
    Negative tests followed were followed by a recruitment to get the first shot...on the spot.
    Positive tests were treated immediately by monoclonal antibody infusions to prevent those patients from being hospitalized.

    Of course, another way to do it would be to dole out beds and meds on an equity basis, but that's never really been much of a thing for doctors.......which is why I guess politicians tread.

    What's next?
    Refusing treatment for people who don't wear seat belts?
    Not giving angioplasty to lardasses who won't cut the carbs?

    I seem to recall that Delta is somewhat contagious.
    Is this REALLY the wisest approach?
    What if somebody cannot prove they're vaccinated, but they're in frank respiratory distress?

    They're a saying old Army rangers use:
    It's the water in your belly, NOT in your canteen that saves your A$$.

    Buuuuuut, I'm sure that "scientifically" there's a good reason for not providing the monoclonal antibodies.
     
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    Ah come on, man. Everybody questions science - from inside and outside. But it is best done by presenting evidentiary counter examples.

    I agree with @ETC(SS) (along with many others here I suppose) that global first vaccinations should be a very high priority. But this must be fought as a multi-front war. US is very high among countries on mort/million. Please make all reasonable efforts to stop moving up that chart.
     
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    that is what i am saying, use vaccines as a first resort. sorry, i have to stand with ol' joe over desantis on this one.
    encouraging antivaxxers will never stop the pandemic
     
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    Yes, we saw plenty of deaths before vaccinations were widely available and you know what? Similar story. Most did not follow those "experts" who strongly advised physical distancing and masking, because, reportedly, politics...

    Speaking of guns, let's also not forget POTUS #46 jumped the gun and forecasted everyone getting booster vaccinations soon. Those political stooge FDA experts fell right in line with him and Pfizer/ the pharmaceutical industry as manifested by their verdict today. Oh wait. :D
     
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    IMHO:
    • USA vaccination population is large enough to host a next variant possibly more infectious and lethal/disabling.
    • Booster reduces in the volunteers the risk of hosting next variant.
    • First vaccinations needs to be accelerated. However the variant risk will initially increase.
    It makes sense to commit to a three dose protocol. Two shots is not enough as there are ‘breakthrough’ delta cases.

    I also agree with research to find a second RNA to make the the messenger RNA vaccines more effective. Perhaps using moderna as the vaccine variant.

    Bob Wilson
     
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