SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

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  1. bisco

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    well, most everyone has an opinion, that's why we have 'experts'. they don't all agree, but todays vote was a pretty wide margin.
    that could all change as new data becomes available
     
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    not sure if I've replied to this or not... but I will today.

    I'm curious today, just like I was then, what the comorbidities were.

    comorbidities are a way of getting an idea about the overall health prior to their decline.
     
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    Bob makes a decent point above about variants BUT….. even though its impolite (and dangerous) to suppose that COVID (unlike the Ft Riley flu) came from abroad, I believe it’s universally accepted by $cience that Delat-Lambda Mu isn’t a local college fraternity.
    Just sayin….
    There’s supposed to be an ethical component to medicine…or AT LEAST a practical one based on exigency.
    Battlefield triage is RADICALLY different than that which is practiced in domestic hospitals….
    Even Chicago on a weekend.
    Do you REALLY want to look in someone’s wallet for a little white card before you treat them?
    How about a little red book?
    Some of the most unfortunate chapters in my nation’s history occurred when access to medical care was color-dependent. (PC is an international forum…..)
    In this red-blue world, it seems that we’ve made a little progress.
    NOW…you have to let them in the door and perform a little background check before you deny them access to “the good stuff.”
    In these equitable times….at least they die INSIDE a hospital.
    Since demographic data are missing for the vaccinated, I’d like more numbers like efficacy for third jabs, and death rates for REAL breakthrough cases.
    Everybody “knows somebody who know somebody” but I’m not reading many obits for delta breakthroughs.
    If we must start with “cooked” numbers first, then that would at least be something…..
    Science.
    Data…..

    As far as federally controlling COVID swag?
    If it was sleazy in 2020….it’s sleazy in 2021.

    FACTS don’t care. ;)
     
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    I really hope you have a better outlook on life and your neighbors in the future.
     
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    free guns , plural ?

    how many ?

    what kind ?

    ammo too ?

    I'm listening now ;-)
     
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    I just want a traffic level, fine, $100, if they get COVID-19 treatment and have not been vaccinated. The fine is waived if they or find someone to get a vaccination. After all, we are not communists.

    I can understand the rational of 'taking a risk' by the unvaccinated. But if you get COVID caught, time to pay a fine.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Maybe we could sort of derive the range of the fine, to avoid a suggestion that it's arbitrary or capricious.

    Say you choose to pass on the opportunity for a preventive vax ($49 for two doses, paid for by others), and so you win an opportunity for a mab dose ($2,100, paid for by others). If you were guaranteed to win, maybe $2,051 would be an appropriate fine. If the game had 1:20 odds, maybe $100 then.

    I haven't tried this morning to figure the odds. I had read that FL recently was counting on 70,000 mab doses ($147,000,000, paid for by others) per week, which could probably be massaged with their population and vax numbers to come up with something like odds, maybe.

    That's ignoring a bunch of other costs and externalities of course, but it's a start.
     
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    I'm not after covering the cost as much as getting more vaccinated. Consider it a nuisance fine.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    oh, i thought florida was paying for the antibodies (n)
     
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    I seem to recall the governor recently commenting they might buy some on their own, in response to a decreased allocation federally.
     
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    Getting greedy too.

    The only guns-for-vaxx deal I've heard was a lottery for vaccinated West Virginians. The drawings were late June through early August. And it had only ten custom hunting rifles and shotguns, but there were also tons of other prizes:

    West Virginia To Give Away Guns As Covid-19 Vaccine Incentive
    Get the vax, win a shotgun: US states get creative to encourage vaccination | US politics | The Guardian
     
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    not greedy at all here, but when I see a shiny thing I like, more attention is payed to the details.

    it's funny that they're calling them "hunting rifles" though, most politicians couldn't tell the difference, and it you spray painted them black... well you know... that's going to instantly make them into assault rifles and scary.

    honestly they would probably get better response from access to primers for the reloaders instead of guns with serial numbers... we can print our own nowadays, but primers are harder to find
     
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    i think the west virginia gov knows his guns
     
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    Healthy/honest/scientific debate:

    “I don’t think they made a mistake,” Fauci told CNN’s State of the Union, “but people need to realize that data is coming in, literally on a daily and weekly basis, and they’re going to continue to look at this literally in real time.

    “It is entirely conceivable and maybe likely that ultimately the proper regimen for protection, optimal protection and durability of protection would be more than just the prime and the boost followed by three to four weeks, that it might actually entail a third boost.

    “… I think people need to understand that this is not the end of the story.”
     
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    Nobody can get primers.....and there's a ban on Rooski ammo (good one, Joe!) that also affects "components"..........like............(wait for it!!!).................primers.
    BUT!!!! .....part of "science and data" includes.....chemistry and mechanics.
    In addition to brass cartridge cases, primers can be reloaded as well, and any 8th grader with a $900 CNC mill can knock out a pistol or a rifle receiver in stainless, aircraft grade aluminum, or poly.
    I've seen all 3.
    ...and people have been making zip guns with shot shells since before our President was a kid (a few years post-Reconstruction?)
    No matter how many books you burn....you can't stop science. ;)

    Gotta admit...I may owe the FDA an apology for the presumed 'rubber stamp.'
    I never figured that they would have the chitterlings to male-chicken block the current admin like that - although they left enough caveats in the 'recommendation' that I was advised that I could get a third shot "at will" since I'm titulary a "utility" worker.
    However (comma!) as the Fauch says......."they're not done yet."
    WHO funds the FDA, again?
    No....not Winnie-the-Poo's W.H.O., but the ENGLISH inquiry for 'whom..."

    As I've stated probably 1242 times since we got slimed with this disease....I'm completely pro-vax, and I believe that 2 shots are enough for a (physically) healthy person in my cohort to shake off the bug.....according to the "science and data."
    ....and I say this as a person who was vaccinated by force with a drug that was far enough off the reservation for dot.gov to get SUED in federal court resulting in a LAW that says you can't poke holes in government property with drugs that aren't "approved" by the FDA....one way or the other... ;)

    HOWEVER (comma!!!!!!!)
    Third shots.....small children shots...infants in face masks?
    That seems to me like they're swinging after the bell....OR dot.gov is "othering" selected groups for "other" purposes.....according to my perusal of the data available.

    ACTUAL mileage, of course, may vary......
     
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    dr. fauci already said that keeping hospitalizations down should not be the goal. although i could have sworn that he has said that was the goal in the past?
    so he is clearly in favor of a booster now, and probably told joe as much, which might have started the ball rolling in the white house all those months ago.

    the thing about data, (like the constitution) is that someone has to interpret it. not all scientists will agree, but someone has to have the final say.

    the other part is partly scientific, partly political. there is pressure from many groups to get all the vaccines to places where there isn't enough for two shots.
    so there's that
     
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    The Fauch is a bug hunter.
    His goal is zero cases.
    Not really achievable (he's upfront about that) but he's gonna keep trying.

    We could have arguments or "scientific based discussions" about risk-reward but we're somewhere around the 7th inning stretch of the first game in the playoffs.
    What nation is "doing it right?"
    Who has the secret sauce?

    All of the numbers I'm seeing lead me to believe that there IS enough daylight between the besties and the worsties, but it's for DANG sure that the US will NEVER EVER do the most common things that the besties do (lock borders and institute very harsh, for-real lockdowns.)

    Epidemiology 101.
    Been that way since the middle ages.
    THAT's why Quarantine is derived from quarantena, meaning "forty days", and was coined in the mid 14th century.

    BTW...some sources list China as one of the "besties."

    So...go figure.

    Science and data.....
     
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    numbers seem to be dropping, for no particular reason that i can see. if we don't need boosters, pfizer ceo is gonna go ballistic
     
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