SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

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  1. bisco

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    no, that's why we need more
     
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    Hummmm, I have a friend in China and Australia… maybe I can get a free trip to ‘investigate’.
     
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    Wasn't that the punch line to an old tasteless joke involving a bomb?
     
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    Knowing where COVID-19 from won't tell us where the next infectious agent of concern will come from. It could even result in a false sense of security, and have us only looking at those possible sources.
     
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    you'll have to convince the scientists, good luck
     
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    Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7

    “At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days,” the researchers concluded. “In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people.” (emphasis added)
     
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    New variants are more contagious everywhere. I'm more interested if I'll end up in the hospital or dead.

    There is a definite relationship of vaccination and staying out of the hospital:

    Mapping America’s hospitalization and vaccination divide
     
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    i was reading that there is good evidence although not a full study yet, that vaccinated persons do not spread the virus like unvaccinated.
    researchers found the virus to be coated with antibodies in mucose of mouth and nose, suggesting the virus is not able to infect others through breathing and spitting.
     
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    Making better ways to infect (& it's peripheral research) people is not much different from making better hydrogen bombs. As the psalmist wrote, "time & chance happen to us all" .
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    There is some buzz about the COVID-19 vaccine and myocarditis. But it turns out getting COVID-19 has a risk too:

    Source: Association Between COVID-19 and Myocarditis Using Hospital-Based Administrative Data — United States, March 2020–January 2021 | MMWR

    Viral infections are a common cause of myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle (myocardium) that can result in hospitalization, heart failure, and sudden death (1). Emerging data suggest an association between COVID-19 and myocarditis (2–5). CDC assessed this association using a large, U.S. hospital-based administrative database of health care encounters from >900 hospitals. Myocarditis inpatient encounters were 42.3% higher in 2020 than in 2019. During March 2020–January 2021, the period that coincided with the COVID-19 pandemic, the risk for myocarditis was 0.146% among patients diagnosed with COVID-19 during an inpatient or hospital-based outpatient encounter and 0.009% among patients who were not diagnosed with COVID-19. . . .

    It makes sense that the COVID-19 vaccine might share similar effects as the disease itself. But unlike the random infection, the vaccinated patent can be monitored closely to detect and treat myocarditis early.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    good point. some governments are recommending against vaccination of 16-20 year old males due to the percentage of them getting myocarditis, and saying the risk od serious covid is lower for that age group.
    what i'm not seeing is the data backing up that risk assessment.

    what i am seeing is some number of that age group in the hospital, dead, or with long term symptoms.

    i'm just glad i don't have to make that decision.
     
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    A Report on Myocarditis Adverse Events in the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) in Association with COVID-19 Injectable Biological Products - PubMed

    Within 8 weeks of the public offering of COVID-19 products to the 12-15-year-old age group, we found 19 times the expected number of myocarditis cases in the vaccination volunteers over background myocarditis rates for this age group. In addition, a 5-fold increase in myocarditis rate was observed subsequent to dose 2 as opposed to dose 1 in 15-year-old males. A total of 67% of all cases occurred with BNT162b2. Of the total myocarditis AE reports, 6 individuals died (1.1%) and of these, 2 were under 20 years of age - 1 was 13. These findings suggest a markedly higher risk for myocarditis subsequent to COVID-19 injectable product use than for other known vaccines, and this is well above known background rates for myocarditis.


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    SARS-CoV-2 mRNA Vaccination-Associated Myocarditis in Children Ages 12-17: A Stratified National Database Analysis | medRxiv

    Rates per million following dose 2 among males were 162.2 (ages 12-15) and 94.0 (ages 16-17); among females, rates were 13.0 and 13.4 per million, respectively. For boys 12-15 without medical comorbidities receiving their second mRNA vaccination dose, the rate of CAE is 3.7 to 6.1 times higher than their 120-day COVID-19 hospitalization risk as of August 21, 2021 (7-day hospitalizations 1.5/100k population) and 2.6-4.3-fold higher at times of high weekly hospitalization risk (7-day hospitalizations 2.1/100k), such as during January 2021.
     
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    One should always at least scan or read the source @bisco :
    What is an unrefereed preprint? | medRxiv

    What is an unrefereed preprint?

    Before formal publication in a scholarly journal, scientific and medical articles are traditionally certified by “peer review.” In this process, the journal’s editors take advice from various experts—called “referees”—who have assessed the paper and may identify weaknesses in its assumptions, methods, and conclusions. Typically a journal will only publish an article once the editors are satisfied that the authors have addressed referees’ concerns and that the data presented support the conclusions drawn in the paper.

    Because this process can be lengthy, authors use the medRxiv service to make their manuscripts available as “preprints” before certification by peer review, allowing other scientists to see, discuss, and comment on the findings immediately. Readers should therefore be aware that articles on medRxiv have not been finalized by authors, might contain errors, and report information that has not yet been accepted or endorsed in any way by the scientific or medical community.

    We also urge journalists and other individuals who report on medical research to the general public to consider this when discussing work that appears on medRxiv preprints and emphasize it has yet to be evaluated by the medical community and the information presented may be erroneous.

    A peer review is not fool proof but helps reduce obvious errors.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    another conspiracy theory becomes reality.

    it's like a daily win for the tinfoil hat people nowadays.
     
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    uhoh, that's not good for the face diaper believers.

    everyone needs to wear face diapers, all the time, regardless of whether they've had booster number 6 or just starting gnuround booster 8.
     
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    Or not:

    New CDC data shows the risk of dying from Covid-19 is 11 times higher for unvaccinated adults than for fully vaccinated adults

    "The CDC data shows that the risk of death from Covid-19 for unvaccinated adults has dipped in recent weeks as the pace of new cases drops across the country. By the last week of August, Covid-19 death rates among unvaccinated adults were about 30% lower than they were in the first week of the month, dropping from an incidence rate of 13 deaths per 100,000 people to about 9 deaths per 100,000 people.

    But since April, the risk for fully vaccinated adults has never been higher than 1.2 deaths per 100,000 people."
     
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    Another item in the same article highlights the age risk. With plenty of impaired immune systems and other conditions, vaccinated people 80+ have a similar risk of Covid-19 death as the all-age unvaccinated risk. And no surprise, the unvaccinated 80+ risk is far higher still.

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    Some of the articles being put forward by deniers are clearly not taking this age differential into account.
     
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