SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

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  1. hill

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    Sorry, truncated my thought. I should have brought up the environment how C diff becomes overpopulated when antibiotics like Vancomycin wipe out all other gut bacteria. This is what ultimately leaves C diff to do its dirty deeds - unabated by all of its fellow bacteria that would normally eat/destroy increased amounts of the C diff bacteria - had they not been destroyed by antibiotics. Hospital C diff versions have become increasingly resistant to all forms of antibiotics. Not so, with many of the bacteria that would normally live harmoniously & coexisting with C diff.

    Use of antibiotics nowadays is often way too prophylactic before many surgeries. Those who have had C diff need to tell their surgeons, "don't do it" because of their history with the disease. Irony - how what has been life-saving can now jeopardize their health.
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    "Co-worker had real sudden hearing loss, like waking up deaf in one ear." I hear that :) Sudden in SSNHL is no exaggeration. I thought I was having a stroke.

    "Also messed with balance" That 's the worse kind it means that vasculature to semi-circular canals is blocked, in addition to that for cochlea.
     
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    i lost a little more hearing in my right ear after a bout with covid. feels like there is water in it, but there isn't
     
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    same w/ the better ½. That & ballance isseus primarily
     
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    I got COVID and look at me now:
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    • What can I claim came from COVID or the vaccine?
    • Can I sue China and the vaccine manufacturer?
    I'm suggesting it may be too easy to attribute to COVID the natural effects of aging or other maladies. Coincidence is not necessarily causation. From: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsb2408466#:~:text=Long%20Covid%20is%20an%20infection,Covid%20manifests%20in%20multiple%20ways.

    Long Covid manifests in multiple ways. A complete enumeration of possible signs, symptoms, and diagnosable conditions of long Covid would have hundreds of entries. Any organ system can be involved, and patients can present with the following:
    • Single or multiple symptoms, such asshortness of breath, cough, persistent fatigue, postexertional malaise, difficulty concentrating, memory changes, recurring headache, lightheadedness, fast heart rate, sleep disturbance, problems with taste or smell, bloating, constipation, and diarrhea.
    • Single or multiple diagnosable conditions, such as interstitial lung disease and hypoxemia, cardiovascular disease and arrhythmias, cognitive impairment, mood disorders, anxiety, migraine, stroke, blood clots, chronic kidney disease, postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome and other forms of dysautonomia, myalgic encephalomyelitis–chronic fatigue syndrome, mast-cell activation syndrome, fibromyalgia, connective-tissue diseases, hyperlipidemia, diabetes, and autoimmune disorders such as lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, and Sjögren’s syndrome.
    Important Features of Long Covid
    • It can follow asymptomatic, mild, or severe SARS-CoV-2 infection. Previous infections may have been recognized or unrecognized.
    • It can be continuous from the time of acute SARS-CoV-2 infection or have a delayed onset for weeks or months after what had appeared to be full recovery from acute infection.
    • It can affect children and adults, regardless of health, disability, or socioeconomic status, age, sex, sexual orientation, race, ethnic group, or geographic location.
    • It can exacerbate preexisting health conditions or present as new conditions.
    • It can range from mild to severe and can resolve over a period of months or can persist for months or years.
    • It can be diagnosed on clinical grounds; no biomarker that is currently available conclusively determines the presence of this condition.
    • It can impair patients’ ability to work, attend school, take care of family, and care for themselves, resulting in profound emotional and physical effects on the patients, their families, and caregivers.

    I would be happier if there were a physiological test to confirm the symptoms were COVID.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Agreed. My doc is baffled. The hearing loss came with the virus and never left. coincidence? Maybe
     
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    Bob's list reminded me how our 8-year-old granddaughter lost sense of taste/smell, then one day a year and a half later it came back.
     
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    Same with DIL, took a long time.
    I haven’t had any side effects from the shots, but actual COVID knocked me for a loop
     
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    H5N1 (a bad strain of it) comes to Nevada cows

    H5N1 bird flu spills over again; Nevada cows hit with different, deadly strain - Ars Technica

    Previous news was dead ducks in Illinois (I did not search for that link).

    This now merits its own discussion I proclaim. Shall we go with Bob's cat food thread or start another? This one (346 pages) is not a good choice. Years ago I started this one and it has been excellent in thoughts and insights contributed by the gang. Thanks. It has been somewhat drawn down by by dissumlation and silliness. Probably unavoidable (forget it Jake it's Chinatown (the internet)). So I expect the same in a new H5N1 Benefits > deficits.

    But it would be great if someone else led.
     
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    Well...since "bird flu" was first discovered in 1878...something tells me it's going to around for at least another century. Just don't try to shut down the world and lie to us about medicines that don't work...again.
     
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    The Italy thing in 1878 was probably/maybe the same virus. Has not been confirmed to my knowledge. Influenza viruses were first isolated in 1930's, so things were very murky before then.

    1996 and 1997 were when H5N1 seemed to really get its legs, with outbreaks in farmed poultry and 6 human deaths. Other bird flu including H7N1, H7N2, H7N3 and H7N7 were in various places. Some at least of the H's and N's have been swapping genes for a few decades, and generally improving their abilities to cross infect birds, cattle and swine. It is H5N1 (and sometimes N 'something else') that is doing most of the wild birds and farmed animals now.

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    2010-2019 Highlights in the History of Avian Influenza (Bird Flu) Timeline | Bird Flu | CDC
    "As of May 2019, 861 human cases of H5N1 virus infection and 455 deaths had been reported from 17 countries since November 2003."

    The number of more recent human fatalities reported in media has been few (<10) but I cannot say with certainty that reporting is complete.

    The main uncertainty now is if H5N1 (or similar) can transfer from human to human. Seems not to have happened yet. But this (these) are very widespread in very mobile (migratory) birds. So if that ability does develop, numbers of humans infected will probably increase very rapidly, and in many places at the same time. That is pretty much the looming risk of H5N1. That,, and whatever vaccine that may be widely deployed has kept up with the virus' latest gene swaps.

    To my knowledge, no one has made a convincing case that human to human transfer is more difficult to accomplish than animal species to another animal species. Elephants, seals, and polar bears have been infected. Epidemiologists on the more pessimistic side think human to human is a matter of when not it.
     
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    You mean...we might die someday?
     
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    I'm out.

    Musk volunteered to help out and loot what THAT's getting him!!!
    NAVY!
    (Never Again Volunteer Yourself!!)
     
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    It took a year in the Marines to burn out my lifer tendencies. Associated with the NAVY, I agree! Once was enough.

    As for Musk . . . I no longer own TSLA but have a very nice 2019 Model 3 with Full Self Driving that was made pre-Twitter/X.

    Musk is living the movie "A Beautiful Mind" which Wiki describes:

    A Beautiful Mind is a 2001 American biographical drama film about the mathematician John Nash, a Nobel Laureate in Economics, played by Russell Crowe. ... The story begins in Nash's days as a brilliant but asocial mathematics graduate student at Princeton University. After Nash accepts secretive work in cryptography, he becomes liable to a larger conspiracy, through which he begins to question his reality.
    . . .
    In 1959, Nash began showing clear signs of mental illness, and spent several years at psychiatric hospitals being treated for schizophrenia. After 1970, his condition slowly improved, allowing him to return to academic work by the mid-1980s
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    Died: May 23, 2015 (aged 86)

    I've seen two examples in real life (possibly a 3d in a forum) so it was easy for me to understand what has happened to Musk.

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    Moved your money over to MRNA and PFE?
     
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    Much better, solar project on my house. Spoke with insurance company and they will increase valuation from $260 k to $350 k. It will be on the right side of Trump-stagflation and save $1,000 per year replacing the taxable, TSLA dividends.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Let me know when they find a "real" prophylactic and cure for covid.
     
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    Beneficial effects of COVID vaccines (vary, and) are known to many here. But not seen by all. Prophylacsis is the right word to describe them. Cures (as they have been developed) are described here:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41573-023-00672-y

    I cannot know anyone else's definition of 'real' without saying in detail. A medical intervention that prevents all symptoms in all, regardless of differences in immune-system functions, and regardless of personal choices about virus exposure, is a really high bar. Few or no vaccines reach that, and it seems to me that close to that has only come against viruses that (for whatever reasons) don't change.

    To our disadvantage, COVID and highly pathogenic influenza viruses do change quickly. Vaccines against those will always lag a bit. Frisky viruses are frisky because when more than one is in a mammal or bird host, they swap genetic information. Vaccine developers will always work against yesterday's news, because they and no one knows tomorrow's news.

    Well that's a sadness, yes? We could be beat in velocity because humans live clustered, and farm clustered food animals are susceptible to highly pathogenic influenza viruses infections. Best opposition might come from robust work by US' HHS and international WHO. Others can say if there is hope that those can now lead.