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  1. FloridaWen

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    Scientists find fossil of super-sized bug
    Sea scorpion, which measured 8 feet long, was once world's biggest bug

    LONDON - This was a bug that you'd have to look up to and definitely couldn't step on.

    British scientists have stumbled across a fossilized claw, part of an ancient sea scorpion, that is of such large proportion it would make the entire creature the biggest bug ever.

    How big? Bigger than you, about 2.5 meters, or 8 feet, long.

    The discovery in 390-million-year-old rocks also suggests that spiders, insects, crabs and similar creatures were much larger in the past than previously thought, said Simon Braddy, a paleontologist from the University of Bristol and one of the study's three authors.

    "This is an amazing discovery," Braddy said Tuesday.

    "We have known for some time that the fossil record yields monster millipedes, super-sized scorpions, colossal cockroaches and jumbo dragonflies. But we never realized until now just how big some of these ancient creepy-crawlies were," he said.

    The research found a type of sea scorpion that was almost half a meter longer than previous estimates and the largest one ever to have evolved.

    The study, published online Tuesday in the Royal Society's journal Biology Letters, also means that before this sea scorpion became extinct it was much longer than today's average man is tall.

    Prof. Jeorg W. Schneider, a paleontologist at Freiberg Mining Academy in southeastern Germany, praised the study, saying it provides new information about how big the ancient scorpions became.

    "These 2.5-meter ones were the last of the giant scorpions," said Schneider, who was not involved in the study. "These scorpions were dominant for millions of years because they didn't have natural enemies. Eventually they were wiped out by large fish with jaws and teeth."

    Braddy's partner paleontologist Markus Poschmann found the claw fossil several years ago in a quarry near Prum, Germany, that probably had once been an ancient estuary or swamp.

    "I was loosening pieces of rock with a hammer and chisel when I suddenly realized there was a dark patch of organic matter on a freshly removed slab. After some cleaning I could identify this as a small part of a large claw," said Poschmann, another author of the study.

    "Although I did not know if it was more complete or not, I decided to try and get it out. The pieces had to be cleaned separately, dried and then glued back together. It was then put into a white plaster jacket to stabilize it," he said.

    Eurypterids, or ancient sea scorpions, are believed to be the extinct aquatic ancestors of today's scorpions and possibly all arachnids, a class of joint-legged, invertebrate animals, including spiders, scorpions, mites and ticks.

    In an interview, Braddy said the fossil was from a Jaekelopterus Rhenaniae, a kind of scorpion that lived only in Germany for about 10 million years, about 400 million years ago.

    He said some geologists believe that gigantic sea scorpions evolved due to higher levels of oxygen in the atmosphere in the past. Others suspect they evolved in an "arms race" alongside their likely prey, fish that had armor on their outer bodies.

    Braddy said the sea scorpions also were cannibals that fought and ate one other, so it helped to be as big as they could be.


    "The competition between this scorpion and its prey was probably like a nuclear standoff, an effort to have the biggest weapon," he said. "Hundreds of millions of years ago, these sea scorpions had the upper hand over vertebrates — backboned animals like ourselves."

    That competition ended a long time ago.

    But Braddy said the next time you swat a fly or squish a spider at home "think about the insects that lived long ago. You wouldn't want to swat one of those."

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    Can't be true, a creationist told me the earth is but 6000 years old.

    Imagine the can of Raid you will need to kill that sucker!!
     
  3. TonyPSchaefer

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(patsparks @ Nov 27 2007, 07:30 AM) [snapback]544648[/snapback]</div>
    A creationist once told me that God planted fossils in the Earth to test the beliefs of humans. Seriously. That's what he said. After all, why couldn't a god capable of creating an entire solar system with Earth in the middle be capable of putting whatever he wants where ever he wants.

    I certainly don't believe in all that. Seriously, doesn't it make much more sense that Slartibartfast, good enough to win awards for building the fjords of Norway, would have much easier access when he was building the Earth. The fossils might have been planted there by a sneaky builder or perhaps special-ordered by the mice themselves.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TonyPSchaefer @ Nov 27 2007, 07:17 AM) [snapback]544682[/snapback]</div>
    This was (seriously!) one of the very earliest objections to Darwin. Thomas Henry Huxley, known as "Darwin's Bulldog" for his defense of Darwin, famously replied:

    "I cannot believe that God would have written across the rocks such an enormous and all-pervading lie."

    The contradiction of a god who supposedly tells us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth in the Bible, and yet writes lies in the very rocks of the Earth may be why creationists (most of them; apparently yours was behind the times) now claim that it was the devil, and not god, who made the fossils; not to test our faith, but to undermine it. But that still leaves them with problems: The Bible says god made the stars, but he'd have had to have put the starlight in transit at the time of creation, which is in itself another lie.

    Why can't the doofuses just read the Bible as allegory?
     
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    I just watched the BBC mini-series "Walking with Monsters (Life Before The Dinosaurs)" which showed one of these giant sea scorpions. I highly recommend the show even if the narration gets a bit overblown at times. In fact the entire "Walking With.../Chased by..." series is great. It really gives you a concrete idea about what these creatures might've looked like in the living flesh.
     
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    How would you like to wake up in the middle of the night and see that thing running across the floor ? :eek:
     
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    tripp Which it's a 'ybrid, ain't it?

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    Ah Eurypterids. Lovely buggers. Those have been known for ages. Nothing new there. New York is home to the best specimens in the US, if I'm not mistaken.

    Or swimming in the toilet. :eek:
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(huskers @ Nov 27 2007, 01:43 PM) [snapback]544864[/snapback]</div>
    Running across the floor??? It couldn't fit through the door!