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Should Bush be impeached for the Plame leak?

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  1. jared2

    jared2 New Member

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    Papers: Bush, Cheney directed leak campaign



    WASHINGTON -- The White House on Friday declined to challenge assertions that President Bush authorized the leaks of intelligence information to counter administration critics on Iraq.

    But Bush's spokesman, Scott McClellan, appeared to draw a distinction about Bush's oft-stated opposition to leaks.

    "There is a difference between providing declassified information to the public when it's in the public interest and leaking classified information that involved sensitive national intelligence regarding our security," he said.

    Court papers filed by the prosecutor in the CIA leak case against I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby said Bush authorized Libby to disclose information from a classified prewar intelligence report. The court papers say Libby's boss, Vice President Dick Cheney, advised him that the president had authorized Libby to leak the information to the press in striking back at administration critic Joseph Wilson.

    McClellan volunteered that the administration declassified information from the intelligence report -- the National Intelligence Estimate -- and released it to the public on July 18, 2003. But he refused to say when the information was actually declassified.

    On July 18, 2003, McClellan said that the information had been declassified that day. "It was officially declassified today," he told reporters in a briefing in Dallas, Texas. At the White House on Friday, McClellan interpreted his own remarks to mean that the information had been officially released to the public.

    The date could be significant because Libby discussed the information with a reporter 10 days earlier, on July 8 of that year.

    On Thursday, disclosure of official authorization for Libby's leaks to reporters brought strong criticism from administration political foes, but little likelihood that their demands for explanations will be met.

    Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., citing Bush's call two years ago to find the person who leaked the CIA identity of Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, said the latest disclosures means the president needs to go no further than a mirror.

    In his court filing, Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald asserted that "the president was unaware of the role" that Libby "had in fact played in disclosing" Plame's CIA status. The prosecutor gave no such assurance, though, regarding Cheney.

    Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada said that "in light of today's shocking revelation, President Bush must fully disclose his participation in the selective leaking of classified information. The American people must know the truth."

    Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said the president has the "inherent authority to decide who should have classified information." The White House declined to comment, citing the ongoing criminal probe into the leak of Plame's identity.

    In July 2003, Wilson's accusation that the Bush administration had twisted prewar intelligence to exaggerate the Iraqi threat "was viewed in the office of vice president as a direct attack on the credibility of the vice president, and the president," Fitzgerald's court papers stated.

    Part of the counterattack was a July 8, 2003, meeting with New York Times reporter Judith Miller at which Libby discussed the contents of a then-classified CIA report that seemed to undercut what Wilson was saying in public.

    Separately, Libby said he understood he also was to tell Miller that prewar intelligence assessments had been that Iraq was "vigorously trying to procure" uranium, the prosecutor stated. In the run-up to the war, Cheney had insisted Iraq was trying to build a nuclear bomb.

    The conclusion on uranium was contained in a National Intelligence Estimate, a consensus document of the U.S. intelligence community. Libby's statements came in grand jury testimony before he was charged with five counts of perjury, obstruction and lying to the FBI in the Plame probe.

    Libby at first told the vice president that he could not have the July 8, 2003, conversation with Miller because of the classified nature of the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq, Fitzgerald said. Libby testified to the grand jury "that the vice president later advised him that the president had authorized defendant to disclose the relevant portions" of the NIE.

    Libby testified that he also spoke to David Addington, then counsel to the vice president, "whom defendant considered to be an expert in national security law, and Mr. Addington opined that presidential authorization to publicly disclose a document amounted to a declassification of the document."

    Libby testified that he was specifically authorized to disclose the key judgments of the classified intelligence document because it was thought that its conclusions were "fairly definitive" against what Wilson had said and the vice president thought that it was "very important" for those key judgments to come out, the court papers stated.

    After Wilson began attacking the administration, Cheney had a conversation with Libby, expressing concerns on whether a CIA-sponsored trip to the African nation of Niger by Wilson "was legitimate or whether it was in effect a junket set up by Mr. Wilson's wife," Fitzgerald wrote. The suggestion that Plame sent her husband on the Africa trip has gotten widespread circulation among White House loyalists.

    Wilson said he had concluded on his trip that it was highly doubtful Niger had sold uranium yellowcake to Iraq.

    The prosecutor's court papers offer a glimpse inside the White House when the Justice Department launched a criminal investigation of the Plame leak in September 2003. Libby "implored White House officials" to issue a statement saying he had not been involved in revealing Plame's identity, and that when his initial efforts met with no success, he "sought the assistance of the vice president in having his name cleared," the prosecutor stated.

    The White House eventually said neither Libby nor Karl Rove had been involved in the leak. Rove remains under criminal investigation.
     
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    FINALLY a topic I LOVE. :lol:

    He should be impeached, but not just for the Plame incident.
     
  3. jared2

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    "Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., citing Bush's call two years ago to find the person who leaked the CIA identity of Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, said the latest disclosures means the president needs to go no further than a mirror."

    I like this. Sort of like O.J. Simpson looking for "the real killer", isn't it?
     
  4. Mystery Squid

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    This crowd will vote to impeach Bush for jaywalking...
     
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    I don't think breaking a federal law by revealing the identity of a CIA agent is quite the same as jaywalking.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Apr 7 2006, 04:55 PM) [snapback]236501[/snapback]</div>
    Of course it isn't, it illustrates just how idiotic the ardent Bush-bashers are. You have no idea what the whole story is behind it, of course, you're all VERY quick to burn him at the stake, hey, anyone have any SOLID PROOF? Funny, you'll scream about EVIDENCE/PROOF with respect to Iraq, but one person makes an accusation like this, and wham-o, should we impeach? The sword of hipocrisy is double-edged... :rolleyes:
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Apr 7 2006, 03:55 PM) [snapback]236501[/snapback]</div>
    Isn't it considered treason (not sure, just asking)?

    But to be fair (unlike the GOP), I'd want to make sure it wasn't Libby searching for a scapegoat. It is after what this administration does best.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Apr 7 2006, 03:59 PM) [snapback]236508[/snapback]</div>
    You're absolutely correct hypocrisy is running rampant. The same people who spent eight years calling Clinton a liar seem to cut George all kinds of slack. Imagine that.

    Clinton:
    Lied about a BJ

    G.W.:
    Misled about WMD in Iraq
    Misled the connection between Saddam and 911
    Misled about the esponse to Katrina
    Lied about wire tapping of Americans
    Apparently lied about leaking classified information (what proof will there be, a recording????)

    The blind allegiance to someone so morally corrupt is amazing to me.
     
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    They should just change FHOP to FHOBB

    Fred's House of Bush Bashing


    :lol:
     
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    "This crowd will vote to impeach Bush for jaywalking..."

    Whatever works. Let's start there and work up...

    Impeach W.
     
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    God help me, I agree with Squid for once. Need more proof or paper trail before one can contemplate impeachment over the leak. All we have so far is one man's (Libby's) claim of VERBAL clearance to release classified information.

    However, should better evidence arise Bush should stick to his word and fire his own sorry butt and save a few of our american tax dollars which he seems so intend on spending on nation building... Wait didn't Governor Bush argue about all the pitfalls of nation building???
     
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    Remember we are in a war.
    We need George Bush for a third term, Just like FDR.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SirGreen @ Apr 7 2006, 06:29 PM) [snapback]236538[/snapback]</div>

    Following this logic it should be "George W. Bush, President for Life". (resisting the temptation to stick any emoticons here!)

    The "War" we are told we are fighting is not against a physical entity but an idea called Terrorism in a universal sense. One can kill, or capture, or destroy a physical entity but ideas are hard/impossible to kill. In this case piss a few people off enough to take matters into their own hands and you have created a terrorist cell. (for just a few examples: Earth First; Arian Nations; PETA; ETTA; IRA;...)
     
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    Hello -- what about wiretapping American citizens.

    All in all, it seems more than a little hypocritical that we impeached Clinton for lying about sex.

    Peace --
     
  16. Mystery Squid

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jchu @ Apr 7 2006, 06:11 PM) [snapback]236531[/snapback]</div>
    I am thoroughly impressed. Someone actually had the nuts to look at this objectively as such.


    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jchu @ Apr 7 2006, 07:26 PM) [snapback]236554[/snapback]</div>
    That's a bad argument though, because we know it can no longer happen. Well, theoretically it can, but it won't happen in this case.
     
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    Add it to the l-o-n-g and growing list for reasonS to impeach.

    Maybe one of these things will stick after the mid-term elections...if the Dems will grow a ball or two.
     
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    Yes, but too little, too late.
     
  19. Mystery Squid

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    Oh well, y'all can be pissed off all you want, Bush got two terms, Pwn3d Afghanistan, and put Saddam in a cage... I think it's safe to say he accomplished what he wanted regardless of all the screaming from the irrational left.

    Hail to the chief!

    [​IMG]
     
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