Should desert courier (300 miles/day) purchase Prius?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by CraigCSJ, Apr 26, 2005.

  1. CraigCSJ

    CraigCSJ Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2004
    287
    144
    0
    Location:
    San Bernardino, CA
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
    At an Earth Day Event last Saturday in Morongo Valley, CA, I had a woman ask me many questions about the Prius. She explained that she worked as a courier in the desert area around Palm Springs, CA, and she drove 300 miles each day. She would stop at various locations during the day, leave her current car running (but with the air conditioner off because she was afraid of over heating) while she took about five minutes to leave or retrieve a package. She drives this route five days each week. Her current vehicle gets about 22 miles per gallon on this route. She liked the 48 mpg number I told her my Prius achieves.

    My inclination is that she should not buy a Prius, because at 78000 miles per year she will quickly go beyond the warranty, and fixing the Prius could be expensive. Also, heat is the enemy of a battery. She would probably want to leave the Prius air conditioning on at each stop (to keep the battery cool), and certainly she would want to leave the system running (to avoid startup hit to mpg). This would decrease mileage some.

    What do you think?
     
  2. xevious

    xevious New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2004
    187
    2
    0
    Location:
    Oregon
    I don't see why she shouldn't consider a Prius.

    The mileage argument is not relevant to the discussion, as it will affect any vehicle she purchases, not just the Prius. At present, there is no evidence that an aging Prius will be any more expensive to maintain than the average vehicle. (In fact, there is much hypothesizing to the contrary.)

    Unless the Palm Springs desert is now averaging 180 degrees Farenheit, the heat-battery argument doesn't jive, either. The traction battery is comfortable over a wide range of temperatures, and is actively air-cooled. (Yes, this should still work at high ambient temperatures.)

    There would be no start-up mileage hit for her short stops. This "hit" only happens when the vehicle is cold.

    I'd say the only danger would be leaving the vehicle on during a stop (in order to keep the cabin cool for the driver, not the battery) only to discover that someone has absconded with her new Prius. Given how quickly the A/C can cool the cabin, this probably isn't an issue, either.
     
  3. bookrats

    bookrats New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2004
    2,843
    2
    0
    Location:
    Seattle, WA
    Boy, I think the Prius would be ideal for these conditions. The gas mileage in Palm Springs temperatures would be wonderful.

    And I agree with xevious -- just leave the car off. (I forget -- can you run the air conditioning when the car is in Accessory ACC mode? (I'm forgetting the names of the 3 States of Prius "ON"...))
     
  4. Garsen

    Garsen New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2005
    21
    0
    0
    Location:
    Los Angeles CA
    like the other poster i can't think of any reason why this person shouldn't give the prius a try. i live in southern cal and thus far have found my prius OK in temps from 65 on upward. it doesn't get that hot out there, does it?
     
  5. DanMan32

    DanMan32 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2004
    3,799
    25
    0
    Location:
    Tampa Bay, FL
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bookrats\";p=\"84721)</div>
    You could run the fans at Ig-On, but you need READY mode to run the high voltage A/C compressor.
     
  6. V8Cobrakid

    V8Cobrakid Green Handyman

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2004
    3,790
    151
    0
    Location:
    Park View, Los Angeles, CA. U.S.A
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    i drive 200 miles a day. i leave my car on. i have a BC package.. nav helps... if i need to walk away from the car with the A/C on ( since it makes noise ) then i'll open the drivers door and lock it. take the fob with me. use the key to get back in. it's easy and the car will stay cool. you're only away from the car for a min or so. the battery will lower but you'll still get decent gas mileage.
     
  7. AzyA

    AzyA Junior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2004
    6
    0
    0
    Location:
    Atlanta, Ga.
    [font=Verdana:97c0027515]Do you have to unlock your door with the metal key on the fob? Or can you simply press the unlock button on the key fob to re-enter your locked Prius with the engine running?
     
  8. V8Cobrakid

    V8Cobrakid Green Handyman

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2004
    3,790
    151
    0
    Location:
    Park View, Los Angeles, CA. U.S.A
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    you have to use the key. the buttons don't work when you are out of the car while it's on.
     
  9. HTMLSpinnr

    HTMLSpinnr Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2003
    5,339
    913
    251
    Location:
    Surprise, AZ (Phoenix)
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tesla Model 3
    Model:
    N/A
    I put 75 miles per day on mine in the Phoenix metro area - mine's working out just fine so far. At highway speeds, the A/C works just fine too - though at lower speeds, airflow through the condenser doesn't seem quite enough to get the A/C blowing really cold.

    I'd recommend the car as well - and concur with the mileage comments above. Any car will take a beating at high mileage.

    And given that she's in CA, she'll have the extended hybrid warranty which may help as well.
     
  10. DaveinOlyWA

    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2004
    15,140
    611
    0
    Location:
    South Puget Sound, WA
    Vehicle:
    2013 Nissan LEAF
    Model:
    Persona
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(V8Cobrakid\";p=\"84871)</div>
    i wonder if you left the fob in the car and used the spare to remotely unlock would it work?

    i'll have to try that
     
  11. V8Cobrakid

    V8Cobrakid Green Handyman

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2004
    3,790
    151
    0
    Location:
    Park View, Los Angeles, CA. U.S.A
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    if you have a BC ( what i have... BC is nav equipped ) then nothing works but a key when the car is shut and on. you have to use the key.. only the key will work.
     
  12. yoda

    yoda Member

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2005
    116
    0
    0
    Location:
    San Diego, Ca.
    You didn't say what type of car she's currently driving, BUT:

    Point 1: With the numbers you gave, she'll save at LEAST 1/2 on gas.

    Point 2: Minor point - but she'll polute 90% less.

    Point 3: Previous points are valid that the Prius is likely the same or LESS on maintenance even after many miles.

    Point 4: A point not yet made - She clearly does a lot of "stop and go" driving. The Prius RULES over other cars under these conditions.

    Point 5: Again on the stop-and-go... Maintenance of the vehicle will likely be LESS since she's clearly doing a lot of braking. Prii use regenerative braking which LESSENS the normal wear on the pads. She will have less expense on having brakes done all the time.

    So - I guess my main point is - She ABSOLUTELY should buy a Prius.

    Yoda
     
  13. V8Cobrakid

    V8Cobrakid Green Handyman

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2004
    3,790
    151
    0
    Location:
    Park View, Los Angeles, CA. U.S.A
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    sparks plugs are less.. oil changes are less.. gas is less. many things are less.. she will "quickly" recover the purchase cost of the car. I've saved several grand already. ( i drive about 200 miles a day )
     
  14. priusham

    priusham New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2004
    525
    1
    0
    Location:
    Michigan - land of everlasting snowflake icon!
    I do not know... at 300 miles per day I'd probably be renting a car at some < $100 weekly rate with unlimited miles.
     
  15. DaveinOlyWA

    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2004
    15,140
    611
    0
    Location:
    South Puget Sound, WA
    Vehicle:
    2013 Nissan LEAF
    Model:
    Persona
    hmmm rentals aint that cheap around here. closer to $300 a week for something decent
     
  16. V8Cobrakid

    V8Cobrakid Green Handyman

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2004
    3,790
    151
    0
    Location:
    Park View, Los Angeles, CA. U.S.A
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    hmm.. good idea.. car payment.. or rental?.. hmmm
     
  17. Bill60546

    Bill60546 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2004
    388
    4
    0
    Location:
    Chicago
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    This decision is a no brainer. Absolutely, yes.

    Lets see:
    there are 242 work days in a year
    thats 75000 miles per year on a 150,000 warranty. So for two years youre set and the Vancouver taxi guy was still going strong after 180,000 miles.
    Now for the fun part. At 45MPG vs 25MPG (being conservative) that saves about 3000 gallons of gas. At $2.50/gallon (CA prices) thats $7500 in gas savings.

    Even if the battery DOAs at 150,000 miles, youre still way ahead.

    The more Prii, the more better. :)
     
  18. Prius Noir

    Prius Noir New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2005
    31
    0
    0
    Won't all the mileage and the car itself be a tax write off for her business? Additional savings include no DMV smog checks until 2010 and longer if that law gets extended.
     
Loading...