1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

SmartStart button part number

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Audio and Electronics' started by jukeboy, Mar 14, 2005.

  1. jukeboy

    jukeboy New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2005
    132
    4
    0
    Location:
    SGV, SoCal
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    II
    as you can see I drive a Matrix - not Prius, but I was kinda inspired by the ad for the new Lexus GS to add a start button in my car.

    I had test driven a fully-loaded Prius with SmartStart/SKS before I made the decision to get the Matrix instead (dealer added all sorts of markup to the cost), and I understand that once you've started the car with SmartStart and walked away from it, someone with ill intentions can drive it off even without the key fob, is that right?

    I'm not sure if this is indicative of all remote start products in the market, but unless the thief knows how to bypass the system, I believe you can't put the car into gear and drive off until you've inserted the key into the ignition. so perhaps I can integrate the remote start system with the retrofitted button and then insert the key before I drive off.

    does anyone know the part number and/or where to get the button?
     
  2. DanMan32

    DanMan32 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2004
    3,799
    26
    0
    Location:
    Tampa Bay, FL
    I don't think it would be a separately purchasable item. The pushbutton power on the Prius is highly integrated with the HV ECU and the transponder ECU and the power ECU working together to identify the fob, enable power to the car's electrical, then re-certifying the fob to enable the HV ECU to actually move the car. This 'package' would not be easy to defeat,, as it is like trying to hotwire a computer network.

    SKS is not remote start. You have to be within a few feet of the receiver for it to accept the fob. SKS is an additional component that gets its authentication via a bit longer range RF, and relays that to the transponder ECU as if the transponder ECU read the fob ID directly from the slot, though it is actually a different ID.

    Now there is a question as to whether the fob as a rolling code for the slot based RFID or if it is a fixed 48 bit code. Much speculation here, but nothing positively documenting this in my view.

    I don't know about the Lexus, but I would hope and imagine that the engine ECM would require the same authorization from the transponder ECU that the HV ECU needs in the Prius. I really doubt there is an aftermarket installable package. Remote starts probably add to a cars vunerablility.

    Yes, once the car is powered on to READY using SKS, someone could drive off with the car without having the fob with them, but would no longer be able to power it on again once it was turned off. Also, adding fobs to the car's memory requires one of the already known fobs to be used, so they wouldn't be able to add their own fob to the list if they drove off.

    Now if the fob is put in the slot, it gets locked in until you power off the car, much like an ignition key gets locked in when the engine is on.

    No security system is infallible however, its more of a matter of how much trouble it is to defeat, and if that trouble is worth the return.
     
  3. jukeboy

    jukeboy New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2005
    132
    4
    0
    Location:
    SGV, SoCal
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    II
    I know SKS is not remote start, and I was referring to installing an aftermarket remote start package, that in addition to (or as a replacement for) a fob that allows you to start the car remotely, there will be the start button on the dash.

    I would think that in most remote start applications you will not be able to shift the gear and drive off without first inserting the key into the regular ignition slot, and that would at least provide some form of security.

    as I put in the description of my posting, why I would even consider doing this can be summed up in one word: poser (or Prius-wannabe)
     
  4. jukeboy

    jukeboy New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2005
    132
    4
    0
    Location:
    SGV, SoCal
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    II