Tesla stock

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  1. bisco

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    i still believe all the other companies are begrudgingly working on the tech, but will never push bev's unless the market demand is there.
    honestly, i think they'd all be thrilled if the experiment failed
     
  2. markabele

    markabele owner of PiP, then Leaf, then Model 3

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    they are still all losing money on EV's and they will start to take more and more of their lucrative ICE business away
     
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    The real winners are the shorts. They made more than Tesla raised in the last round of funding.

    "Short-sellers have gained roughly $3.88 billion in on-paper profits in 2019, after the automaker posted losses in each of the last three fiscal years.

    “Tesla’s stock price will have to get back over $300/share for shorts to be deeply in the red again and the threat of a short squeeze to be valid,” wrote Ihor Dusaniwsky, S3 Partners’ managing director of predictive analytics. “Winter almost came for Tesla short-sellers, but now it looks more like spring is in full bloom.”
     
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    the pendulum swings both ways. i wonder how the stock would be doing without all the lies written on the internet
     
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    That would make the stock $15
     
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    How soon we forget. When GM went bankrupt, the BK trustee put a freeze on the value so that the shorts totally had to eat their own gamble. Bwahahahaha!
    ;)
     
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    This thread is a microcosm of the media coverage of Tesla right now. Very little logic and truth going on.

    Hey shorters...please tell me what Tesla's annual revenue is. Also, please tell me how much they lost last quarter if you don't count the loan repayments.

    Watch, very little truth will be answered.
     
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    Media coverage of tesla?
    Musk skewes the numbers and outright lies to the press.

    Finally the truth is actually starting to trickle out and the stock price is starting to head toward a realistic price, 10-35$ seems to be the consensus.

    What is Tesla's annual revenue, it's a mystery, what's the beta, it should be 100 it's a negitive .3, due dilligence would've kept you from either a margin call or a straight out loss of unimaginable proportion.

    What would they have lost with out loan repayment, we don't know how much tesla owes it's supplier's from 2018 quarter 3-4, who make sense of garbled and secret numbers, Tesla is living in a dream world but the real world wants it's money.
    What would they have lost with out loan repayment? What world do you live in, do you buy houses without expecting to repay the loan that allowed you to buy the house. Do you want to buy something without money, are you in league with a devil that controlls reality, that gives you diamonds and emeralds....

    The media has no numbers to judge tesla, well, numbers are starting to appear, and the stock price is. acting accordingly.

    Don't blame shorts for your having been suckered into a fools gold experience.
     
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    Thank you for proving my point.
     
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    Thank you for allowing me to make my point, proof is in the pudding.
    Proof is duing due diligence and not being suckered into a Ponzi scheme.
     
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    ford stock 5 years ago $16.

    ford stock today $10.

    it happens
     
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    boring company signs 49 million dollar deal with las vegas. ah, gamblers, gotta love em :ROFLMAO:
     
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    blah blah blah .....
    Meanwhile the Gen 2 Roadster deposits are racking up big time .... even though placeholders know that they will likely be late with deliveries. Let the Nay Sayers continue! Here's to hoping I just made a killing on their cheap stock. If it's a bust? It's worth it to support a USA company - even though, with all their warts, and the issues I have with them.

    Poor slobs who have no idea of history forget that the Battle of Midway, WW2, was a disaster, until the actual score was tallied up, during the last final hours. Some people enjoy a fighter CEO who has ben in worst positions, with his never-say-die attitude, while others, sit on the sidelines, & forecast their gloom & doom.
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    Forget the revenue. How about earnings per share, dollars and rate of profit, EBIT, etc. And loan payments are making good on debt, so eventually they have to be counted against earnings. Remember, real accounting uses a balance sheet.
     
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    thank you for your wisdom in forecasting clouds of doom. Sure wish you might have been there to dissuade Ford from moving forward a century ago. Even modernly ... sure wish you could have been here to tell us how GM was about to go bust - a decade ago, only to come back again - after shedding billions in toxic waste cleanup costs, medical retirement benefits, & sub-assembly-vendor's parts debts.
    gloom 'n doom'ers ... gota love their Eeyore spirit.

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    192 with an after hours slide has to hurt. The history of cars is littered with failures, like De Loren, Nash, Tucker, Desoto and Pontiac.
     
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    I'm pretty sure:
    • July 1-6 - we'll get the Q2 sales/production numbers
    • Aug 1-7 - we'll get the Q2 financials
    Everything else is a fun rumor but seldom if ever based on facts and data. The 'shorts' are desperate for TSLA owners to sell at a loss.

    In contrast, I own and operate a March 2019, Model 3, Standard Range Plus. It has 6,515 mi since Mar 26, 2018 and I have a clue, lacked by the SHORTs, about the strength and weaknesses. Let the SHORTs pay off my loan and I'll be happy to share what they are too cheap to measure.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    My understanding of accounting is that profit has nothing to do with loan repayment. Profit is revenue minus expenses. Loans affect cash flow, not profit.

    To put it another way, they didn't get a profit boost when they took out the loans, and profits aren't reduced when they pay it back. The only place they meet is interest on the loan is probably an expense.

    Balance sheets also aren't directly tired to driving experience :)

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
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    balance sheets are for warren cash buffet types. others are interested in long term.

    bezos once said, 'we may never make a profit'. no one flinched
     
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    I usually agree with the vast majority of stuff you say, but I'm not understanding the Warren Buffett hate.
     
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