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Discussion in 'Tesla' started by bwilson4web, Aug 6, 2018.

  1. Zythryn

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    I think there is a misunderstanding here.
    • For the majority of locations, there is lots of excess capacity. Lines are incredibly rare and easily avoidable.
    • Not all chargers will be open to non-Tesla vehicles. The numbers I have heard are from 10%-20%
    • I am guessing that at the few crowded areas, there will be no non-Tesla chargers.

     
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  2. bisco

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    if i knew all that to be true, i would certainly be agreeable.

    having zero first hand knowledge of the situation, and even if i did buy a tesla, it would just be home charging and local driving, so i wouldn't be against it.
     
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    I've seen a lot of new Tesla superchargers installed within 1/2 mile of the major Highways this past year. As Zythryn said, they are not as overcrowded as they used to be. They also are not colocated with entertainment as closely as they used to be. That does not mean that there won't be lines on occasion, but when you replace a 10 stall installation with a 30 stall installation, there is a good possibility that it might be better able to handle peak traffic, holiday rushes, road closures, etc.

    Personally, I think that alienating the non Tesla customers will prove to be a bad decision in the long run. At some point Tesla will want to sell their high profit services to the millions of EVs that are already showing up on the road. That's hard to do if the company has been rejecting those customers for a couple years.Electrify America
     
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    Could be, but there are also a lot more Tesla on the road to go along with the additional chargers.
    It’s hard to know the right decision as I doubt we have all the info that Tesla does.
    People have short memories, and it will be a long time before non Tesla chargers are up to snuff
     
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    Why do you say that it will be a long time before non Tesla chargers are up to snuff? While it's true that the EA chargers will not be able to give you incentives for referrals, the rest of the technology is pretty straight forward. Chargers, inverters, wireless payments...

    It might be that Tesla has somehow arranged for better maintenance of their chargers. That would be nice, but I have not seen anyone that I could recognize as doing preventive maintenance. Every trip north or south includes driving close to half a dozen supercharger installations, so Ive been able to watch the evolution of the infrastructure in "stop motion" :) .
     
  6. bwilson4web

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    That was my initial impression but then I've seen images of the implementation and it looks good. In effect, there is a 'Russian doll' style plug. The CCS-1 plugs into the charger housing and the Tesla connector plugs into the other side of the CCS-1 plug: US: Tesla "Magic Dock" For Supercharging CCS1 Cars Coming Soon?

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    • CCS-1 plug inserts to Supercharger holder
    • Tesla plug inserts into the handle of CCS-1 plug
    This unlocks Federal funds for more Tesla Superchargers and refurbishment of earlier 120-150 kW units. It might increase the length or drive-up access for Tesla owners too. For example my recent trip to Arlington, one Supercharger station had a stand alone curb that nearly made it impossible to reach my car until I parked at an angle. A longer cable or having the Supercharger be 'park aside' like a gas pump would be perfect.

    I don't resent non-Tesla, EV owners as they are already being punished enough:


    Bob Wilson
     
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  7. 3PriusMike

    3PriusMike Prius owner since 2000, Tesla M3 2018

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    I guess it is not obvious.
    For each Tesla sold a part of the cost includes funding the growth and maintenance of the Supercharger network. Why should people who buy another EV brand not have to pay a portion of this cost?

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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    They will:
    • A heavier, awkward CCS-1 adapter on the Magic Dock Superchargers
    • Dealing with silly, side mounted charging sockets instead of front or rear sockets
    • CCS-1 extension cords to reach badly placed vehicle sockets
    • In their face compare and contrast to Tesla reliability and quality
    As for charging costs, well all things are negotiable. An extra $0.05 per kWh would cover the additional expense of the Magic Dock hardware, maintenance, and support costs.

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    i mean quantity
     
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    Mexico plant announced to build new model, Two new models covered in shrouds but careful to not announce timelines. Stock down $20 from its high yesterday in response.

    Refused to answer question about future product time frame. Appropriately.

    Well orchestrated presentation except it started late. Focus on constant improvements and cost reductions in all areas. Pretty general, few details.

    Lets see what others heard.

    Tesla Gigafactory Mexico will build the company's next-gen vehicle
     
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    mikefocke Prius v Three 2012, Avalon 2011

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    Up over 100% 6 months. Down 6% 1 year. Betting on the truck and price drop driven demand? I see more and more of them.
     
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    This company has defied all naysayers for over 10 years, a force to be reckoned with.

    and if you don’t think Toyota and other major players are concerned, just google their public statements
     
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    mikefocke Prius v Three 2012, Avalon 2011

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    Up 142% year to date.
     
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    it's crazy, and the 'competition is ready to crush tesla' statements never end :p
     
  16. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    There are lots of Tesla competitors ... but with the exception of BYD, not profitable.

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    but when you look at the competition, where is the $33,000. equivalent of the model 3?
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Not being in the market for a new EV, I'm somewhat exposed to the press cars the reviewers show off (and wax poetic.) Positive reviewers tend to get more press cars.

    The Chevy Bolt is in that price range but with a maximum 50 kW charge rate ... H*LL NO! It is a city only, charge at home ... nothing burger. Increase the Bolt charge rate to 150 kW or better and it would be credible competition to early Tesla Model 3 like mine.

    I would recommend a used BMW i3-REx because the range extender solves the CCS-1 disaster. The BMW i3-REx could only charge at 50 kW.

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    for you, understood. for many, it's the right car, but not enough to sustain profitable manufacturing
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    If I had one, my first hack would be to solve the peek charge rate, design defect. But I have better projects for my Model 3. <GRINS>

    Bob Wilson
     
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