Tesla to Prime?

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  1. skierrob

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    I had a 2019 Prime that I traded in for a Tesla Model 3 long range. And of course now I’m getting really tired of having to wait an hour to charge the Tesla on road trips. Also been a bit disappointed with overall reliability and build quality of Tesla.

    So I’m thinking about moving back to a 2022 Prime Limited and selling the Tesla. A few questions since dealers near me don’t have a Limited in stock to test drive and I’d have to order one…

    1. How well does Lane tracing work? Can it auto steer now as good as the Tesla for semi autonomous driving?
    2. Does the dynamic cruise control still make you press the pedal to resume after stopping for more than three seconds, or is it fully capable of handling stop and go traffic now where you might be stopped for ten or 20’seconds at a time on the freeway?
    3. Any issues seen with CarPlay that I should know of? I assume it is wired CarPlay which sort of negates the wireless charger that comes with the car? Also is car play on the limited Prime still in a tiny box on the 11” screen like it was in 2020?
    4. Have the air conditioning controls improved or do I still have to use the touch screen for certain climate control functions?
    5. Am I crazy to be selling the Tesla and going back to the Prime? Lol!

    thanks!
     
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    1. No. However with Comma/Openpilot, you’ll get to AP1.0-1.5 level steering.

    2. Must resume with LTA. Not sure on Openpilot.

    3. Correct on all counts. Otherwise no issue.

    4. Yes unless you’re getting an LE.

    5. I had an LR AWD M3 and decided I cared way more about cost of operation and lack of time charging than speed and Autopilot so it was a no brainer for me. I drive a lot though, lots of road trips mixed with lots of local driving.
     
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    As much as I'd like to trade you straight across for my 2020 with 75k on it in mint condition. I agree with you, this thing has literally been perfect the entire time I've owned it.
     
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    it just depends on your situation. if you don't like waiting for a charge, that's strike one i guess.

    quality i can't speak to, reports are it has improved greatly.

    can you make money on the deal?
     
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    Nah, I don't think I can make money off the Tesla at this point with 43K miles on it in two years. :( CarMax offered me $40k for it, and I think I could maybe do $45 or $46k private party. But after tax I paid $55K for the Tesla.
     
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    That's really not much of a loss there. 43k for only 10k loss You aren't doing too bad there, especially trading it in after two years.
     
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    JMalmsteen I love my Prius!

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    I have two Teslas on order, but there is no way I would own a Tesla without having this Prime. Tesla reliability and time charging on trips are the reasons I wouldn't get one as a main car.
     
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    So other than the bling factor, what is the main reason to own a Tesla?
     
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    There must be dozens of Limited trims in the LA area. Simply look at the inventory on the Toyota site.

    LTA is jittery and somewhat annoying and unnerving. Nevertheless, it would come handy when you need it.

    However, LKA has grossly improved with TSS 2.0. Overall, the 2021 is a significant improvement over the 2020. I had the 2020 before.

    A funny note: After buying my 2021 Prime, I had a "nightmare" in which I had traded it in for a Tesla Model 3. I was terrified with what I did, and I was grossly relieved when I woke up and realized that it was a dream.
     
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    I found the native lane trace assist to be pretty terrible on roads with a lot of exits or variation in the quality of road stripes, although it did pretty well on a long stretch of I-95 from MA to DC. Then I bought a used Comma 2 ($900 including wiring harness) from the Comma discord chat, and holy crap what a difference. Was a bit of a PIA to mount the Comma 2 on the windshield just right, but it's far, far better at knowing where lanes are and can even do raggedy country 2 lane roads (Toyota LTA can kind of do interstates and that's it). The only downside is using a C2 disables the ability to choose how close to another car you get with ACC, and the default farthest spacing can be a real pain on the interstate when it gets busy (people constantly cutting in front of you, which makes the car slow down to give enough gap, which turns into a very annoying repeating cycle). Also I don't see any reason to spend over $2k for the new Comma 3, the C2 does really well and it doesn't seem like they made any significant upgrades (discord chat is probably best place to find a used one but the mods are pretentious dorks)
     
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    Will you be able to keep using the C2 even when they end-of-life it for the C3? I don't need updates, just the ability to keep using it...

    Also, did you do any mods to reduce the chance of it breaking? I heard its a bit flaky that way.
     
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    My understanding is that they will continue support for the C2 until July '22, then they will only "support" the C3. AFAIK that just means software updates, official tech support help, etc will only be applied to the C3 from that point, but the C2 will continue to work. As obnoxious as they can be, there are some very knowledgeable folks on the Comma discord that will almost certainly continue to provide unofficial support for the C2 into the future.

    I didn't do any mods, do you mean the "phone" itself is flaky/prone to breaking? I've certainly seen people on the Comma discord asking for help with problems such as fan going dead, OS weirdness, etc, but I have no idea what percentage of the total user base that is since you're only going to hear from people with a problem vs the units that never have a problem not being represented in the chats.

    I'm not super familiar with Discord but I think you need an "invite" to join, if you scroll to the bottom of this page and click the "Join our Discord" link it'll take you there as an invited guest
     
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    I don't care about "bling." I like fast cars. Our other cars are manual sports cars and old muscle cars and sports cars (vettes, porsche, challenger, roadrunner, old trans am, etc). The Tesla is as fuel efficient as the Prius and is fast. The MYP goes 0 to 60 in 3.5 seconds. I'm also hoping that Teslas are built to actually go a million miles, or at least the 300k to 500k that Tesla is claiming for the battery. I drive the Prime 50k/yr. I would love to switch it up with a Model Y Performance to carry more stuff and to camp in, use dog mode, and to have a Cybertruck to pull an RV. I don't look at Tesla as a luxury brand, like Mercedes etc.
     
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    Tesla's business model was to create the electric version of the European luxury sedan, and they made the Model S, which worked. The Model 3 is simply a slower, not so luxurious, and affordable Model S.

    Will this business model work in the future? I don't think so. EVs will soon become mainstream, and Tesla will go from being by far the market dominator to only a minor player. It's going to be worse than what happened to iPhone when Android was introduced.

    I also like the safety features like the blind-spot monitor available on the Prius Prime but not available on the Tesla. This is where big companies like Toyota shine over boutique car companies like Tesla. Tesla is now even eliminating the radars on its cars, further compromising their safety.
     
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    Tesla still has the Supercharger advantage for now.

    They also have the big one when it comes to battery supply, and one one in EV and battery technology. Others may put out a better EV, but may not be able to meet demand. Drive train wise, the EV likely won't beat Tesla.

    The camera vs. radar has been discussed. Each have pros and cons. When nearly every car has radar, the effectiveness of the system degrades as they interfere with each other.
     
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    There should be both, as cameras will fail in certain visibility conditions.
     
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    Those conditions mean the driver should stop relying on such driver aids.

    These aren't self driving systems. Yet a poster in one thread admitted to using the radar in the dynamic cruise control on the Prius to exceed the safe speed in heavy fog.

    Once they were able to test the Tesla with cameras only, CR and IIHS reinstiuted their high safety scores to the car models. No need to dictate technology approach for results.

    It is odd that Tesla doesn't have a blind spot warning. With Autopilot on, the car will safely change lanes when you tell it to.
     
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    Yes, those electronic safety features should not be used as a substitute for defensive driving; however, they do supplement defensive driving. I don't want my FCW and AEB to fail in heavy rain, fog, or glare caused by intense sun, etc.

    Moreover, the Model 3 has scored "advanced" by IIHS in vehicle-to-pedestrian crash prevention as opposed to the Prius Prime's "superior"—my previous point of big companies like Toyota delivering more solid electronic safety features in comparison to boutique car companies like Tesla.
     
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    Other car companies are going to leave Toyota and Tesla in the dust, Toyota is fighting tooth and nail against EV and Tech improvements and Tesla is relying on their laurels, Big 2 and foreign companies have a lot of new EV's coming out with lots of tech and lots of improvements. New Ford Lightning and EV Mustang have shown Ford is coming on strong, and GM is really putting a lot of money and effort into EV, sadly the Bolt is showing there is work to do.
     
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