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The $492 "Donut" Spare Story...

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by Mystery Squid, May 25, 2005.

  1. Mystery Squid

    Mystery Squid Junior Member

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    A little background...

    A long, long time ago, last Wednesday, at a Toyota dealership far, far away...

    I took delivery of my Prius. Well, the evening before, I haggled out the details through "aggressive negotiations" with the salesman and the Darth Sidious sales manager. It was relatively intense, I got up and started walking out three different times. Part of me was really hoping they couldn't reach my price point, simply because it sucked getting rid of my Ford F150AT-AT. Anyway, I could tell I rubbed this Star Wars Cantina tag team the wrong way, really, simply because I was undecided, and finally told them I was going to take a day to contact Jedi long dead for consultation, and sleep on it. I could tell they were relatively irritated, and it was at that point they moved the Death Star into firing position, and I got the, "What would it take to make this deal?" Anyway, I left that night owning my Prius-wing fighter, as I wanted one pretty bad, and I knew they tend to fly off the lot like tie fighters under attack by rebel forces...

    So next day, eager to take delivery, I arrived, and upon inpection of my Prius-wing fighter, noticed the interior and mats had not been shampoo'ed by the cleaning droids, as was promised. Ok, no big deal, I can usually do a better job by using the force myself, besides, it would give me a chance to really go over it.

    About a day or two later, back in Tatooine, I decide to get familiar with the spare donut tire/tire changing tools. To my slight irritation, I discover that not only is the tire flat, but it's worn to the point where you can see steel belts, and ON TOP OF THAT, there were actually HOLES in it. Yes, HOLES you could stick two or three fingers through. Even Watto would not have been amused...

    Ok, so that's a bit much, and like Anakin upon finding out his mom died of torture and exhaustion in his arms because of the sand people, it would HAVE to be addressed.

    So, I finally get around to going back to the dealership this afternoon (It's like 30 Parsecs up one of the most traffic ridden highways outside of the Boston Galaxy, and takes about close to an hour to get there when unable to use warp speed, needless to say, I'd rather get everything done at the same time...), as my registration had come in (in which when I got the call, I told the salesman about the spare, and he said, "Ok, we'll do something about that..."), and the State inspection was to be performed.

    I pull in, go see him, he gives me my registration, and points me in the direction of the inspection bays. We had a little discussion, and the whole time I was waiting to see whether or not he would bring up the spare tire issue. So, as he waved me on out the door, it was clear he "forgot" about it ( :roll: ). So I say, "Oh yeah, and by the way..."

    He stops and thinks about it for a moment, and tells me to bring it up to the guys at the service bay area as he didn't know if they had any because of the size and lug pattern. (BULLSHIT) Now this set me off, and I said with a bit of an edge, "Oh really, a Toyota dealership this size and not one spare around eh?" No reply.

    Ok fine, I head over to the service bays...

    I get out, state my main business, and tell some manager type dude who enters your info. at one of those standing computer desks about the spare, and he's absolutely surprised. Now here's where it gets interesting and annoying. I told him I just took delivery 6 days ago, to which he then starts asking me what the mileage on the car was when I got it, after checking out for himself what the mileage was, clearly defaulting to the theory that I was somehow trying to hustle them out of a spare :roll: . Then, some nearby service droid wanders over to check it out, nods his head a bit, and we all make our way to the computer terminal, where he proceeds to tell me/us the vehicle is "Certified Pre-Owned" (SEE, IT'S ON THE COMPUTER SCREEN IT MUST BE TRUE!) implying they must have surely inspected it. He then realizes the mileage checks out (as it's on the screen), and determines that it is, in fact, more likely than not, this spare was somehow overlooked (guilty until proven innocent I guess). He then tells me to go wait somewhere on Endor, as they're going to check this out, and see if they had any available.

    Now it gets hilarious.

    After about 20 minutes (car hasn't even entered the empty inspection bay mind you), he comes in, pulls out a piece of paper, and tells me a replacement will cost me $492 galactic credits. I just laughed, and said, "I DON'T THINK SO, NO WAY, NOT FOR A CAR I JUST BOUGHT SIX DAYS AGO!" He thinks for a moment, and tells me he will try and make contact with Darth Sidious about the whole situation... anyway, to wrap up this tirade a bit quicker, they ultimately end up "ordering" a spare, giving me a receipt of sorts, and telling me it would be in, in "about a week...",

    THEN he adds the CLINCHER and says, "So how did you get a flat tire last week?"

    In another time, another place, I would have EXPLODED on the guy, but I instantly realized just how idiotic the situation was, and for a moment, thought about my tie. :mrgreen: Was there something about it that gave him the impression I was a complete f'in idiot? Granted, it was a tie I really didn't like wearing because of what I consider odd stripes, but simply did so for variety. I simply smiled, and told him the same story he heard not more than 20 minutes ago, giving him the satisfaction that he was a pretty "slick" guy... :party:


    Yeah, so what happens if I get a flat in the interim? I didn't even bother, I knew the answer would be something amongst the lines of, "Call the 800...WONK WONK WONK WONK (Charlie Brown teacher voice)"

    Well, at the very least, I keep getting calls asking about how their "service" was, and if I should think it anything less than "Excellent", I should call so and so...

    Anyway, that's my tirade for the night...

    May the force be with you all. :mrgreen:
     
  2. Frank Hudon

    Frank Hudon Senior Member

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    really funny bed time story! thanks, nite.
     
  3. Bill Merchant

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    [font=Comic Sans MS:d691f8408d]ROTFLMAO! May the farce be with you! Time to find a new dealer![/font:d691f8408d]
     
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    Stealership...
     
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    My 1995 Geo Metro was sold to me as used, but only when the door needed to be adjusted did anybody tell me it had been in an accident and had the transmission replaced. The dealer's comment: "Well, even if it was in an accident I wasn't required to tell you." They joys of South Carolina law...
     
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    Which is why carfax.com is so important...:)
     
  7. jayman

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    Gee-zus!

    I only have two words for you:

    "Caveat Emptor:" Buyer Beware.

    Here are some sad but true facts of life: Politicians lie all the time. Salescreatures lie all the time. Almost everybody around you will either lie to you or is thinking of lying to you.

    Deal with it. Become suspicious of any transaction you hope to enter into, and go over everything in detail. I hope your State has appropriate Consumer Protection laws, otherwise since you signed off on this car, better chalk it up to one of life's little lessons.

    It wouldn't hurt for you to walk into the middle of the service lounge and announce in a loud voice what a ripoff that dealer is. See if they lose anymore customers.
     
  8. jayman

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    WHACK!

    "Oh I'm VERY sorry but I wasn't *required* to tell you I was about to plant my right hook into your jaw. You okey there? Try a little ice, Advil for cramps, Excedrin for migraines."
     
  9. Beacher

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    A few years ago I bought a used Camry at the local high volume used car dealership. By the next morning one of the tires was about half way flat... obvious slow leak. I put some air in it and the next day stopped by the dealership after work and talked to my salesman. He said he would like to do something about it but the service area was closed. We were standing there amongst about 30 more used Camry's so I said, "Lets just grab one off one of these other cars." Incredibly, he actually agreed and we searched for a suitable tire on one of the other cars and swapped tires just using the tire changing tools in the trunk of the two cars. I wish I had a picture of him washing the grease off his hands with Goop back in the service bay when we were done.

    It all worked out for him though. Six days later, my wife totaled the Camry. A couple of days later I went back into see him and said, "You know that Camry you sold me last week? I need another one just like it."
     
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    Whilst sitting in a finely-tuned theater on Naboo only a modest stones' throw from Lucas Valley Road and Skywalker ranch wherein all Uncle George's creations are pre-screened, and awaiting the opening of Episode III, I was busily going over in my mind my upcoming 15,000 mile service when where did my mind stall? On that famous doughnut and how in the year and 1/2 that I have been racing around in my '04, I have not once checked the air pressure in said doughnut. "Must remember...". The last new Toyota I bought I was so dismayed at that poor excuse of a spare that I mailed the new doughnut COD back to Japan with a note explaining that after paying mucho dinero for one of their products the least they could do was provide a REAL spare. As we can all see, my mild protest did not reach proper ears. Anyhoo, III was good for sound effects, visuals and tying much together. May the farce be with you and our uncle who the local paper recently voted 'Best neighbor in the County'. Shoot, I could have, would have, should have had that title if MY income were in the hundreds of millions each year, leaving me time to put my fantasys on the big screen in the sky. Of course I'd still drive a Prius instead of a midnite blue BMW...
     
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    Well, I'd buy a new spare somewhere else and then take the old tire with me in my trunk. Rather than the service bay (after all, they've already bought their cars) I'd drive to the front where the sales people are and wait for a few customers to mill around. Then I'd open the trunk, throw the tire into the middle of the showroom and warn all potential buyers what kind of business they're dealing with.

    I find not only is revenge best served cold, but with a little aged provolone and a cold bottle of merlot it can be real sweet and satisfying.
     
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    Godiva AmeriKan Citizen

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    California is different.

    A local car dealer just lost everything after being convicted of grand theft for lieing to a customer about a salvaged vehicle. It had been welded together in a manner that two experts indicated rendered it unsafe. He told the customer it was a salvaged car but didn't say anything about the welded frame. Big no-no. He got five years probabtion, was required to surrender all his vehicle dealers and vehicle salespersons licenses and is prohibited from selling vehicles for five years. He paid more than $19,000 in restitutions and must perform 20 days of public work service.


    Used Car Dealer no more
     
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    Mmmmmm sweet and satisfying .....

    Sorry I'm right in the middle of cooking supper.
     
  14. Mystery Squid

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Beacher\";p=\"92562)</div>
    Bingo!

    You see, that's why I'm not too worked up about this. In the end, do I really give a fat flying f*&k? No. I could have just as easily stopped off at a huge junk yard on my way home, and picked up a suitable spare for $20, or less, unless the Prius has some bizarre wheel structure, and I really doubt that. Point is, I got the car I wanted at a price point that was agreeable, so I'm relatively happy, moreso when I'm driving her... :)

    HOWEVER, in the end, the only way to measure how good a dealership really is, is to see how they handle problems when they arise. Sure, I could go into the sales lobby on a crowded Saturday morning and make a scene, but Beacher illustrated something far more important than making said scene. By doing the right thing, that salesman got repeat business, and a good post on the internet read by a fair amount of people. He didn't go above and beyond his duty either, he simply DID THE RIGHT THING. Which I guess in this day and age, only happens at the Mercedes/Ferrari dealership....lol

    With a car like the Prius, one which is so unique that I actually get many requests at work by people wanting rides at lunch time, what do you think is one of the first questions they ask?

    Yup.

    "Where did you get it?"

    Usually followed by, "...and how were they?"

    IF I say something like, "they sucked...", it's very likely the next time that person hears about the dealership (particulary when they have a huge presence in the Boston area), they're going to say something amongst the lines of, "Oh, I heard that dealership sucked, and the guy that told me is pretty credible..."

    Just recently a woman I work with said she wouldn't go back to a particular Volkswagen dealership. She's credible too, now how do you think I associate said Volkswagen dealership? I wouldn't go there simply because of her opinion.

    I've actually come to expect this sort of thing from huge "high turn around" dealerships. No matter how they sugar-coat it, or what they tell you to the contrary, they want you in and out as quick as possible. The salesman has bills just like the rest of us, and any time not spent pursuing a sale just takes away from their bottom line. Funny thing is, I've had smoother, and far more courteous transactions at little po-dunk dealerships where you might imagine the success of their business is far more precarious. You know, the kind you find next to a gas station somewhere run out of a trailer. Hmmm, maybe they're like that for a reason, because they DO in fact have something very material to lose when it comes time to make the lease payment.

    So, in the end, I've expressed the flaws, brought to the surface how they performed when the most trival issues arose, and I can't even come close to lying (something I suck at anyway) by saying I had "Good" (much less "Excellent") experience.


    As a side note to this little mis-adventure, I was slightly surprised to get a call from the salesman today asking me how it went... Makes me wonder if he actually saw the post, as I know people who work at that dealership sometimes post/lurk here... Well, if so, maybe they'll take note, do better next time, and the next person will have nothing but praise, and goodwill towards salesman and dealership. Like most businesses, you win some, you lose some, and hope the win column is far greater than the lose column. I'm happy, I got my Prius, and they made their cash.

    To quote a lame TV show, "Life goes on..."

    :party:
     
  15. Mystery Squid

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MarinJohn\";p=\"92578)</div>
    LMAO!!!

    Niiiiiiice! 8)
     
  16. Frank Hudon

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    I do believe the Corolla and the Prius use the same donut
     
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    So do you think they took your original good spare and swapped it with an old used one?

    If and when I get one, I will definitely check out the spare!!

    Thanks for sharing your un-excellent adventure!!
     
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    One thing that wasn't made clear originally, was that the car was bought used. I would have to assume this however, as I would find it appauling to see a damaged spare in a brand new vehicle.
    But even as used, being such a late model vehicle, and being purchased by a dealer, there should be a 90 day bumper/bumper warranty from the dealer, over and above what's left from the factory. Even if it is "Certified", the spare could easily be overlooked. How many of us remember to even check the pressure? I am sure the dealers don't when they rotate your tires, though they should, unless you have junk in the hatch making that difficult (guilty as charged).

    I certainly give low marks to my dealer, for a few reasons: They charged WAY over MSRP, they lied about doing so, they wanted to (and subsequently did) charge me for turning on the passive mode on the alarm which we all figured was a simple matter, they kept my car 2.5 hours to do the oil change, tire rotation, and the alarm setting, claimed the alarm setting took the 2 hours, found out it does NOT take 2 hours to do the alarm, never recorded my visit for the oil/rotation/alarm with Toyota's central database (my other visits are recorded), they had NOTHING to put on my car when I came in with an unfixable flat. Not even a used tire of correct size unil a new one was obtained so I could get off the donught.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(paul16451\";p=\"92531)</div>
    As an off-topic FYI - I just bought a used car. I got carfax to check the possible cars out. While I have the subscription, I decided to see what carfax said about my parent's RAV4. Said nothing important. Qualified for their buy back, etc.
    That's all fine except for the photos I have of the driver wheel folded under the car, transaxle damaged, fender and hood crunched, etc, etc.

    DO NOT TRUST CARFAX!!! They can only give you the info reported to them.
     
  20. Danny

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    Great story, Squid! I wish I had taken the time to read it yesterday!