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The Clinton Legacy

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  1. hycamguy07

    hycamguy07 New Member

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    Here's a short list of the most memorable Clinton scandals:

    Whitewater: Federally-backed S&L funds were loaned by Clinton's business partner to the Whitewater Corp they were partners in to make shady loan deals which tanked. Taxpayer cost: $60 million. All the legal work for Whitewater was done by the Rose Law Firm... specifically, by Hillary Clinton. The specific Rose Law Firm files conerning the Whitewater Corporation mysteriously disappeared when subpoenaed, only to turn up two years later in a White House closet with Hillary's fingerprints on them.

    Travelgate: Thirty-year veteran apolitical White House Travel Office employees fired to make room for Clinton campaign contributors. Led to IRSgate and Filegate.

    IRSgate: When Clinton wanted a reason to oust him, the IRS suddenly audited Billy Dale, head of the Travel Office. This would be a blatantly illegal and a flagrant abuse of power, but it could not be proved that Clinton ordered it. It IS, however, an amazing coincidence that most of Clinton's enemies got audited. The IRS also audited Paula Jones (who accused Clinton of sexual harrassment), Patricia Mendoza (who refused to shake his hand and told him "You suck"), and Kent Brown (who brought the lawsuit that forced Hillary to reveal the names of her health care task force members). The IRS also investigated conservative organisations National Review magazine, Oliver North's Freedom Alliance, the NRA, and Citizens Against Government Waste after each had been critical of the President.

    Fostergate: Hillary's aide and former Rose Law Firm partner Vince Foster apparently committed suicide when the Whitewater scandal broke. Police were barred from his office for 48 hours while it was emptied by Bill and Hillary's staffers. After the third search of his briefcase by investigators, a suicide note is found in it, torn in 28 pieces... none of which bore any fingerprints at all.

    Filegate: Over NINE HUNDRED "raw files" from the FBI were found to have been sent to the White House. Raw files contain not just proven facts about the subjects, but any rumors, innuendo, divorce papers, psychiatric records, debt records, or any suspected criminal information -- prime blackmail material. All the files were of prominent Republicans and former employees of the White House, including Billy Dale (though he'd already been fired). Those files should never leave the FBI, nor even be SEEN by anyone outside the FBI -- this would be a violation of the Privacy Act. Clinton blamed it on a "bureaucratic snafu" and the matter was dropped. Yes, the files of the people who ordered it dropped were in there.

    Coffeegate: It's a violation of Federal law to raise campaign contributions on Federal property. Yet those who wanted access to the President could make donations of $10,000 to the Democratic National Committee and coincidentally be invited to have coffee at the White House with Clinton. Those who donated $50,000 coincidentally got to spend the night and have breakfast with him.

    Wampumgate: A Chippewa application for a gambling license was denied after a rival tribe made hefty contributions to the DNC. The leaders of the Chippewa tribe were mostly Republicans, and their application was supported by Republican Senator Al D'Amato.

    Chinagate: The Lippo group, owned by the People's Republic of China, made huge donations to Clinton's re-election campaign (about $3 million, through various owned companies). In return, Clinton lobbied Congress to grant Most Favored Nation status to Red China... and make it permanent. A Lippo exec joined the Commerce Department and was granted Top Secret clearance without a background check. In 1998, Clinton granted a company called Loral a waiver to sell missile guidance technology to China... despite the thirteen nuclear warheads China had targeted at the USA!

    Sexgate: This is the part of Clinton's legacy that's most quoted by his supporters as "the reason" for his impeachment and disgrace. However, Monica was the least part of it... at least SHE was having consensual sex with Clinton, as were Gennifer Flowers and Sally Perdue. Less willing partners included Kathy Willey, Paula Jones, and Juanita Broaddrick.

    Triple Threat: Possibly the worst act committed by Clinton was leaving the triple time bomb of Al-Qaeda, Iraq and North Korea to detonate on his successor's watch. He allowed NK to cheat on its promise not to work on nuclear weapons, ignored Saddam's slow-but-steady corruption of the United Nations as they skimmed a 2.2% commission off the top of every oil-for-food transaction, and refused to take Osama bin Laden as a gift from the Sudanese government after the first WTC bombing.

    Clinton was not impeached for having sex, not even with a nineteen-year old girl, not even in the Oval Office, not even because of adultery. He was not impeached for destroying the dignity and credibility of the Presidency. Clinton was impeached because he LIED UNDER OATH to a Federal Grand Jury. What he lied about is immaterial. His supporters want us to believe it was "all about sex". Catching Bill Clinton in a provable lie under oath was like catching Al Capone cheating on his taxes -- it wasn't the worst thing he ever did, but it was the one thing he got caught doing.

    Anyone else want to add to the clinton years?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(priusguy04 @ Sep 1 2006, 06:49 AM) [snapback]312654[/snapback]</div>
    Israelgate - the first sitting President to interfer in another sovereign nations political elections. Part B is forcing Israel into negotiations that were doomed to failure.

    You failed to mention the Toricelli Rule (I believe the proper term) that forbid the CIA and FBI from communicating with each other and forbid the CIA from dealing or using "unsavory" charachters to obtain information.

    First American President NOT to defend American interests - WTC I, embassy bombings, USS Cole, etc -- multiple attacks on American(s) and no retaliation. I do not count the missile strike on the aspirin factory the night of the indictment as a retaliation.

    Perjury gate - first American President to be convicted of lying under oath

    DisbarrmentGate - first American President to lose his license to practice law
     
  3. dragonfly

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    Wow, you guys are getting really desperate!
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dragonfly @ Sep 1 2006, 10:27 AM) [snapback]312715[/snapback]</div>
    Mutual Masturbation - the two right-wingers seeking affirmation from each other, desperately trying to find fault with the other guy just to avoid actually looking at what is going on with their guy.

    Welcome to the right-wing echo chamber - just repeat the lies often enough and you will get the weak minded to believe. :rolleyes: :huh:
     
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    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

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    what about the Supercar Fund??

    it was a program designed to encourage auto manufacturers to build better more efficient cars. good concept very very poorly executed.

    the big three would not agree to it unless CAFE was waived. remember congress had already passed very tough standards that would have forced the big three to greatly change their ways anyway. well the clinton administration agreed to waive CAFE and all three auto manufacturers developed high mileage, 5 passenger hybrids (diesel-electrics in this case) and displayed them months BEFORE the Prius was introduced to the United States.

    only problem was that there was no clause in the agreement that forced the big 3 to actually produce these prototypes for sale. all three immediately shelved the prototypes, went back to their gas guzzling SUV's all the while laughing thinking they dodged the CAFE bullet without having to move a muscle since the government had gone TO THEM with a perfect plan to reverse YEARS of congressional legislation
     
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    Clinton Death Toll

    http://www.zpub.com/un/un-bc-body.html

    The real legacy of Clinton is that he wanted "Socialized Medicine" but settled for Oral Sex. Thank Goodness.

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    Wow! Shame someone for mispronouncing a few words or worship someone for redefining them, your pick. <_<

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    The sky is falling, the sky is falling. It's all Clinton's fault!!! But...Pay no atention to the man behind the curtain...Pitiful, sophomoric, topic.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(triphop @ Sep 1 2006, 10:33 AM) [snapback]312721[/snapback]</div>

    Ahh a flamer! <_<


    This statment isn't worth a reply, :p

    Thanks "dbermanmd", I missed those other ones.. Its all a part of history :)
    Showiing what the next aministration had to clean up or take the brunt of the finger pointing for. :)
     
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    Could you point out which of these "scandals" resulted in tens of thousands dead?

    Before you say.."oohh they let Osama go, 9/11".. Could you please point out what anti-terrorists efforts Bush engaged in before 9/11? At least during the Clinton administration some missiles were fired...
     
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    Quick hide the facts, they really dont want them anyways.

    Rule #7: Wear Hawk's Clothing
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alric @ Sep 1 2006, 11:44 AM) [snapback]312762[/snapback]</div>
    You cannot possible assuage your concerns or fears or understanding of the lack of clintons actions by the fact that clinton fired one missile at an empty aspirin factory the night before his indictment (I am not accusing clinton of attempting to divert attention from the legal proceedings he knew were about to hit the front pages the next day - although a more skeptical person might). His total inaction over his 8 years at the helm while Americans were attacked and killed will be viewed by history in a very unkind light.

    I do not blame him for 9/11 nor do I President Bush who was in office a very short time prior to that declaration of war on us by islamofascists. I do wish that clinton were more pro-active or PRE-emptive during his presidency - that possibly that could have altered what the future ultimately held for all of us.

    In the end, we are all in this together. It is my hope we can all put aside our differences and formulate a plan to meet this challenge head on in a way that will minimize our potential downsides.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(priusguy04 @ Sep 1 2006, 10:39 AM) [snapback]312757[/snapback]</div>
    Speaking up misses the next administration has to clean up.... HAHAHAHAHA what a joke!
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dragonfly @ Sep 1 2006, 12:00 PM) [snapback]312775[/snapback]</div>
    A freudian slip there? The misses were probably related to the clinton administration - missing golden opportunities to strike back or prevent or pre-empt.

    In terms of messes - here is a list of clintons:
    1. a nuclear north korea
    2. a nuclear pakistan
    3. a nuclear india
    4. obl - alive and well and getting stronger and bolder
    5. a impotent cia and fbi
    6. a smaller Dept Of Defense
    7. nearly total destruction of American Human Intelligence infrastructure
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dragonfly @ Sep 1 2006, 09:00 AM) [snapback]312775[/snapback]</div>
    I hate to use their tactics but HUH? I don't think that's a complete sentence and I don't think that makes any sense unless it's too another liberal. :huh:

    Wildkow
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Sep 1 2006, 11:07 AM) [snapback]312781[/snapback]</div>
    Freudian slip indeed. Replace "clinton" with "bush" in above for #1, 5, 6, 7, and especially 4. You can keep trying to turn it around, but repeating the lies over and over doesn't add any credibility.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dragonfly @ Sep 1 2006, 12:21 PM) [snapback]312786[/snapback]</div>
    #6 Clinton downsized the size of our military & was the reason for the reduction of body armor & armored vehicles, air craft carriers ect, ect.

    http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ED042596e.cfm

    http://www.nationalreview.com/kurtz/kurtz062402.asp

    http://www.shaunkenney.com/2006/08/shame-on-daily-press.htm

    As for #4 Clinton had the chance and didn't act on it..

    Same goes for Sadam....
     
  17. triphop

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    The Republican War Cry:

    BUT CLINTON....

    Instead of actually taking a little responsibility these buffoons try and shift the blame to the previous administration.

    Poor 'lil babies - better call a Waaammmbulance.... :lol:

    Pathetic.

    BTW - still waiting for you bunch of liars to post evidence that CLINTON GAVE NUKES TO NORTH KOREA. I am sure that some of those crackpot websites got some slime ready to dish.

    Yeah, talking to you dbermanmd.
     
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    Bush's military downsizing is due to putting our troops into a stupid unnecessary war to get them killed, injured, overworked, psychologically damaged, and resulting in reduction in recruits to a point that we cannot sustain reasonable troop levels and our defense is dangerously in peril, while simultaneously, Bush continues to antagonize our enimies and distance our allies. What a loser.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dragonfly @ Sep 1 2006, 01:25 PM) [snapback]312826[/snapback]</div>
    “two-thirds of the Army's operating force, active and reserve, is now reporting as unready.”

    The Curious case of Gen Erik Shinseki and his ignored war planning advice

    Rummy rewrites the Tip-Fiddle

    What went wrong in Iraq

    Great Job, Rummy!

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    But CLINTON.... :lol:
     
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    How about something in a different direction:

    Fathergate: Whom exactly was William Jefferson Blythe IV (our Bill Clinton)'s father, and whom was Virginia Kelly's father? There's rumors of the Rockerfella name being thrown into the mix on both Blythe's side and Kelly's side. The name of Blythe III leading to Blythe II, but it's all very fuzzy and unsubstantiated.

    Supposedly, all 41 of our Presidents have/are closely blood related, and only Clinton is the odd man out due to his mystery father.