Top Auto Employer in California - Can you Guess?

Go TESLA !!! automaker

 

WOW TALK ABOUT SELECTIVE TARGETING OF DATA in order to make yourself look good. It reminds me of how Tesla claimed they had the safest car in the US (false; lots of cars got 5 star ratings). Here's some reality:

800 thousand US citizens work for automakers & supplies
77 thousand for GM
65 thousand for Ford
40 thousand for Chrysler
36 thousand for Toyota
26 thousand for Honda
20 thousand for Nissan
5 thousand for Tesla

The state of Michigan alone employs 140,000 autoworkers. How many work for Tesla? Essentially zero

 

But you forgot that TESLA is a manufacturer of a single car line, only one model so far, with a 5 STARS rating.
Please, go out to check your "Other Hybrid"

 

I thought Tesla had two-and-a-half models (Roadster, Model S, Rav4 propulsion). Also there are many luxury cars with 5 stars. Not really surprising.

Also you erased my key point: "5" is small compared to the other car companies (800). It's a thing not a beloved.

 

Yeah, thats kind of how it works when you make a claim of being CALIFORNIA'S top auto employer.

If Tesla is in fact trying to "make themselves look good", I suspect it may have something to do with the Gigafactory and their efforts to secure some benefits/commitments from CA. Last Elon mentioned, he did say CA is still in play.

 

There's LOT's of sunshine in CA's deserts for solar-powered factory consumption.

 

How about Top Auto Employer In Kentucky? Toyota celebrates 25 years as manufacturer in Kentucky

Wait, there is more! Once the moves are complete, Toyota says it will have 8,200 employees in Kentucky. Toyota relocating Northern Kentucky jobs | WVXU
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No this includes toyota still having headquarters in California, the move and reduction in head count hasn't happened yet. As a Texan, I really don't like the $47 M bribe in state and local tax payer money given to toyota to pick Texas. DFW is a much more convient airport to Plano, than LAX to torrence, with shorter flights to everywhere they need to fly except japan. From a green point of view, they will use more electricity for air conditioning, but can easily supply it cheaply and easily renewably from solar on the roof and wind from the grid. Since there are fewer employees they will burn less gas, and likely will have shorter commutes. They will contribute to Dallas traffic problems, but reduce LA's, and LA has worse problems and pollution from cars. The extra they spend on renewable electricity in texas (if they go 100% renewable), will be much less then the money they save in salaries and taxes.

The big drop in auto employment in california was the closing of NUMMI, which was the most expensive plant Toyota had in North America, and IIRC 3rd most expensive in the world. Here you can rightfully blame right to work texas and mississippi moves because that is where the cars went. That is also where tesla is growing employment.

The prius phv is still not sold in texas, even though it would get a $2500 state rebate here if sold here. The dealers successfully made sure that tesla was excluded from the rebate, head of the charge is a multi-car dealer including Toyota.

 

Yeah, but NUMMI made some excellent vehicles--we still own & drive two Pontiac Vibes (nee' Matrix)--something that cannot be said about other GM nameplates (Astro, Malibu, Cruze) that we've owned.

 

Where the NHSTA did use hard numbers, the Model S wins.
It has a lower chance of roll over than ANY other sedan, or even sports cars.
Using the calculations NHSTA provides manufacturers the Model S scored higher than any other vehicle.
True, NHSTA doesn't classify beyond simple whole numbers of stars.
However, by any specific measurement they do offer, the Model S scored higher than any other car.

Edit----------
Looked up some data at safecar.gov.
Looking at 2013 model cars, I could only find one other 'luxury' car that scored 5 stars in all categories. That is the 2013 Cadillac ATS.
It has a 10.1% chance of rollover in the NHSTA tests.
The Model S has a 5.7% chance of rollover. This is astoundingly better.

If you have info about any car that can get 5 stars in all categories and has a rollover chance less than 5.7% I would be very, very impressed.

 

There are lots of csrs that carry perfect 5 star ratings (mostly luxury cars, but not all). The Tesla scored 5.2 "raw" whereas several cars got 5.3 or 5.4 or even 5.5 raw score. The tesla did not receive the "highest score ever" from NHTSA because Several other cars scored higher.

Elon Musl also falsely claimed his car broke NHTSA's equipment. NHTSA denies this ever happened.

 

Name one.

No, Elon never made that claim.
He stated that the independent third party company that Tesla asked to test broke their equipment on the roof strength test, and was unable to get the car to roll over using their normal test and had to take "extraordinary measures" to get it to roll.

 

I don't know, I don't think heavy sports sedans with traction control roll over easy, so a 4 or 5 is probably very safe. What is stunning is how the car compares to a lexus gsh or lsh or a bmw m5. It does well against all of these on all the objective and subjective metrics with lower TCO and cool tech.

 

Yep, it is amazing, but considering what lousy mpg those cars tend to get it really gives the MS an edge.
I went searching for another Luxury sedan than scored 5 stars in all categories. I looked at 2013s and only found one, which had almost double the rollover chance (5.7% to 10.1%).
I think the little sports cars, as a group, do the best (excluding the MS).

Only 1% of cars score 5 stars in every category. I was hoping Troy could back up his statement that there are lots of cars that score 5 stars across the board and have scored higher.

The rollover chance is the only hard number (other that number of stars). Although if there is another source/data point that would be helpful.

 

Ok Troy, still trying to help you out here.

Here is an article about some of the safest cars in 2014. http://www.autotrader.com/research/article/best-cars/219747/the-9-safest-new-cars-for-2014.jsp
Looks like only 9 cars got 5 stars in each category as well as overall.
It also appears on two of those are luxury cars, the Model S and Cadillac's ATS.

As I previously mentioned, the ATS did not score nearly as well as the Model S in roll over, the only specific data point I can find.

If you have a resource for additional data points please share.

And let's open it up a bit. Feel free to name any car that scored better, in any category, not just luxury cars.

 

OP is about the top auto maker (by number of employees) in California.
I don't think speculation as to why this is, is that far afield.

Troy has made some statements which I am simply trying to get references for, or show that they are falsehoods.

 

NUMMI was...but isn't anymore.
CHRYSLER used to be (Orangethorpe, CA)...but isn't anymore.

 

I was unable to find the cars which scored higher than 5.2 (which I found half-a-year ago), but I did find this. Basically it's saying "No Tesla, you did not score higher than a 5.0, and if you continue making the claim, we will take legal action against you."

So officially: The model S is a 5.0 and NO better than any other car that scored a 5.0

LINK: NHTSA Tells Tesla To Stop Exaggerating Model S Safety Rating - Slashdot