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Toyota Environmental status report 2012 - 21 new hybrids, 5x stronger lion batteries and more.

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by spwolf, Sep 24, 2012.

  1. spwolf

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    http://www2.toyota.co.jp/en/news/12/09/0924.pdf

    cherry picked things out of their status report for 2012... Hybrid with D4S is coming in IS300h... but 2.0 AR Turbo is new thing - expect more than 200hp. IS300h was already announced with >42 MPG and 210-240hp.

    New development of batteries with 5x power density, and FC ("engine") being twice the powerful at half the size/cost...

    Other things to note:
    - 2012 Hybrids sales expected to exceed 1.2 million, and at least 1 million in every year until 2015
    - 21 new hybrid models launched by the end of 2015 (all new or major redesigns).
    - more info inside on iQ EV, 104Wh/km EV consumption.
     
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    Quite impressive. It is apparrent that Toyota is working hard to stay out in front of the competition and not resting on their laurels.
     
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    usbseawolf2000 HSD PhD

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    When I heard about the 2.0 liter Atkinson cycle turbo direct injection engine, I thought it would go into the production version of Lexus LF-CC concept car.

    Is it going to be IS300h?

    It is amazing the pace they are improving the fuel cell.
     
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    Does that mean the same battery size of the PIP will hold 5 times the energy? Solid state battery?

    Super CVT-i,
    8-speed compact auto transmission,
    38.5 thermal efficiency,
    2.0 atkinson cycle direct injection with Turbo.

    Can't wait to see if any of these makes it into the new Corolla, New Rav4 or the Camry for 2013.
    The Lexus LF-CC Coupe Concept | Lexus Enthusiast
     
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    So exciting! Technology is moving in fast forward. Gone are the days when all you could look forward to was styling updates and more horsepower.
     
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    Sounds promising, I do hope to see some of these ideas on the market soon. Although I am disappointed to see such weak offerings in the EV market. Especially considering they have a head start with their Tesla partnership.
     
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    2.5 AR with D4S is going into IS300h and GS300h, it is Lexus engine for RWD... coming in next 3-4 months.

    Rav4 will get same 2.5l hybrid as Camry, without D4S.
     
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    That is really poorly written. I wonder if anyone has more information. I would guess 5x the power not energy. The phv is 38kw, it may mean they can draw 190 kw from a similar pack. Its doubtful that they mean 22kwh or we would have more word of a break through. It says solid elecrolyte, my guess is lithium polymer, but it may be lithium air.
     
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    Would love a Hy-Rav! Any guesses on if it would be FWD, AWD, or 4WD?
     
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    Right, I thought of ~ 22Kwh packing in the same physical size of the current PIP battery.
     
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    pretty sure they ment density, as max power output is irrelevant... it is translation from Japanese.
     
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    FWD and AWD... I dont think the system will fudimentally change from current Rav4.
     
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    here is exact translation from original Japanese document:

     
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    If they can provide it at a competitive price to gas-only, it will be game changing. Anything to stop bouncing off that 3% ceiling.

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    Nice so your direct translation from the Japanese says power density, which is about power output for the same pack size. My comment was they were most likely talking about power, not energy, since it would warrent a major press release and details if they had achieved 5x the energy density- kwh/kg or kwh/liter.
     
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    :) One thing is for certain = "Change" , I look forward to new exciting developments...

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    It is 5x power density, not energy density. For the same battery size (physical), it can discharge 5x more power but it would not increase the range. Range would depend on the energy density.
     
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    again, it is from Japanese... discharing more energy is meaningless compared to current Panasonic lion batteries in Toyota hybrids, as power output is not an limiting factor here.

    Density is only thing that gives that number a meaning.

    Maybe Ken can give us correct translation.
     
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    This is the Japanese version. Google translate pretty much said the same thing.

    When you increase the flow of ion, the battery can discharge faster providing more power.

    I am sure they are working to increase the energy density further. The solid state batteries are supposed to be superior already.
     
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    That's how I read it also. It would mean a pack the size of the phv would have plenty of power to drive gas free on the highway. The key thing is getting more energy density though to go further on a charge but not take up any more room.

    Yep, I'm sure toyota/panasonic/sanyo are working to get the energy density up and I'm sure they are making progress. I have no idea what solid state means when it comes to batteries, it is a strange translation. They likely mean gel or solid electrolyte. Hyundai is using a gel electrolyte in its lithium polymer battery, which has some packaging advantages. There are advantages and disadvantages with each lithium technology.