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  1. C.RICKEY HIROSE

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    GM's 2 Mode Hybrid System Explained

    Well, Toyota has to come up with the Heavy Duty-Use HSD system soon. Or we're going to be in a tough selling competion environment...

    We have to sell and compete with the GM and its affiliate on the Full size SUV's and Trucks with better Fuel Economy......Than current Toyota's
    large platform vehicle lines such as: Sequoias, Tundras etc..

    =General Motors Two-Mode Hybrid System.=

    The GM Two-Mode Hybrid System is a full hybrid that can operate on gasoline-only, electric-only, or a
    blend of gasoline and electric power. The Two-Mode system combines the following major components:
    • A 332-horsepower 6.0-liter gasoline V8
    • A 4-speed automatic transmission
    • Two 60-kilowatt (kW) electric motor/generators
    • One 300-volt nickel-metal hydride battery pack
    • A regenerative braking system
    Understanding the “Two” Modes
    To the average consumer, the name Two-Mode Hybrid System might refer to gasoline power and electric
    power. However, the “Two” modes are actually more complex. Simply stated, the two modes are a lowspeed
    and a high-speed variable gear ratio arrangement in the transmission. The two modes can both
    employ gas and electric power.

    Mode One>
    GM calls the low-speed arrangement “input split,” meaning the gas engine’s power is split between
    mechanical and electric drive power, which together create variable transmission ratios via a
    planetary gearset. The vehicle starts out in this mode.

    Mode Two>
    GM calls the high-speed arrangement “compound split,” which is similar to “input split” but uses a
    second planetary gearset to apply continuously variable combinations of gas and electric drive power
    at higher road speeds.

    The system essentially operates like two Hybrid Synergy Drive transmissions: One continuously variable
    gearset is used for low-speed driving, with another continuously variable gearset for high-speed driving.
    As such, there are twice as many gearsets.
    General MotorsTwo-Mode Hybrid System

    A Unique Automatic Transmission
    The key to GM’s Two-Mode Hybrid System is the vehicle’s new Electrically Variable Transmission (EVT).
    Like a traditional automatic, this transmission uses planetary gearsets coupled with internal clutches. The
    difference is that within the transmission case are two 60kW electric motor/generators. These
    motor/generators provide three critical functions for the system.

    1. They help accelerate the vehicle
    The motor/generators can power the vehicle with no help from the gasoline engine (electric
    power), they can power the vehicle in combination with the gasoline engine (electric and
    mechanical), or they can assist the gasoline engine to provide additional power for acceleration,
    hill climbing, and towing (mechanical with electric assist). In addition, the first motor/generator is
    the gas engine starter.

    2. They recharge the batteries
    The motor/generators create electricity for the battery. When running, the gasoline engine can
    drive one motor/generator for recharging as necessary. During braking and coasting, both
    motor/generators can be used to slow the vehicle, converting the motion of the SUV into electrical
    current that helps recharge the battery.

    3. They provide variable gear ratios
    Under light driving loads, the two electric motors work together to vary the gear ratio between the
    gasoline engine and drive wheels. During high loads, like acceleration and towing, the
    transmission can revert to its four fixed gear ratios. With fixed ratios, the engine delivers
    mechanical power straight to the drive wheels. Even when operating in fixed gear ratios, the
    motor/generators can still contribute electric assist for additional power when accelerating.

    A Highly Modified V8 Engine
    In addition to its complicated transmission, the 6.0-liter V8 also uses numerous additional technologies to
    help it consume less fuel.

    • Active Fuel Management (AFM). This allows the engine to switch from 8- to 4-cylinder operation
    when cruising. Four cylinders shut down.
    • Late Intake Valve Closing (LIVC). Also called an Atkinson cycle engine. This technology reduces
    resistance against the pistons during the compression stroke to improve efficiency. Some power
    and torque is sacrificed for fuel economy.
    • Variable Valve Timing (VVT). This is a limited VVT system that can’t adjust the intake and
    exhaust valve timing independently. In GM’s engine, one cam can’t accomplish both jobs.
    • Auto Stop mode. The engine automatically turns off when the vehicle reaches 0 mph. The engine
    is restarted by the first motor/generator when engine power is needed.

    The Pros and Cons>

    Customers and cross-shoppers will want to know the pros and cons of the new GM Two-Mode Hybrid
    System, so the following points will be very important to understand.

    The Pros>
    • Tahoe and Yukon will be the first full-size SUVs offered with hybrid drive, making them unique
    vehicles.
    • 2WD models have EPA estimated fuel economy ratings of 21 mpg in the city and 22 on the
    highway. This compares to 14/20 mpg for a comparable 5.3-liter non-hybrid model.
    General MotorsTwo-Mode Hybrid System

    • 4WD models have EPA estimated fuel economy ratings of 20 mpg in the city and 20 mpg on the
    highway. This compares to 14/19 mpg for a comparable 5.3-liter non-hybrid model.
    • Tahoe and Yukon can carry up to eight passengers or 1,560 lbs. of cargo.
    • Tahoe and Yukon can pull from 6,000 lbs. (4WD) to 6,200 lbs. (2WD), though this is anywhere
    from 200 to 1,300 pounds less than a 2WD 5.3-liter V8 Tahoe.

    The Cons>
    • The hybrid Tahoe and Yukon will only be available in limited markets, which may also mean
    limited dealer service support.
    • The GM Two-Mode Hybrid System is complicated, with a complex engine, transmission control
    system.
    • The transmission has four clutch packs that can and will wear out over the lifetime of the vehicle.
    By comparison, Toyota’s Hybrid Synergy Drive® (HSD®) has no clutches.
    • To save weight, GM had to use expensive and potentially expensive-to-repair aluminum hood
    and cargo door panels.
    • GM had to eliminate the opening rear cargo door window to save weight.
    • GM had to eliminate the spare tire and jack to save weight, yet the vehicles do not use run-flat
    tires.
    • GM eliminated the roof rack and made many expensive body modifications to help reduce wind
    resistance.
    • Model-specific body panels are not interchangeable with non-hybrids.
    • The Two-Mode system was developed via a complicated arrangement between GM, Allison
    transmission, Chrysler and BMW.

    What You Really Need To Know
    GM should be applauded for developing environmentally sensitive technology. However, Toyota already
    has over 1,000,000 hybrid vehicles on the road worldwide. Yes, that’s one million! This number speaks to
    Toyota’s environmental commitment, and it demonstrates a track record that for the foreseeable future
    simply can’t be beat by any other company.
    Further, Toyota’s Hybrid Synergy Drive® (HSD®) is elegant in its simplicity, with many benefits:
    • There is no traditional transmission or clutches, which reduces complexity.
    • The gas engines do not need extra engineering to shut down cylinders.
    • HSD® can be engineered for a wide range of economy and performance needs, as Prius, Camry
    Hybrid and Highlander Hybrid demonstrate.
    • HSD® is Toyota’s proprietary technology. This is an in-house design and Toyota has full
    engineering control, which means world-class quality control.
    • Finally, HSD® vehicles are available nationwide, and all Toyota and Lexus dealers are trained to
    service and repair the vehicles.
    By comparison, the GM system is highly complex, and the engineering contribution of four different
    companies made for an involved development process. GM and Allison Transmission developed an
    earlier version of this technology for large diesel busses, where it has served successfully for several
    years.

    However, GM, Chrysler, BMW and Allison Transmission had to “shrink” the engineering to fit into personal
    vehicles, while also adding a conventional 4-speed truck transmission.
    Also, a customer must wonder if a vehicle sold in limited markets will be welcome in the service bay of
    Chevrolet and GM dealers across the nation.
    General MotorsTwo-Mode Hybrid System

    The Future of the GM System
    Because the Two-Mode Hybrid System was developed in collaboration with Chrysler and BMW, this
    technology will be used in a variety of vehicles, including:
    • Chevrolet Silverado Hybrid pickup truck
    • GMC Sierra Hybrid pickup truck
    • Dodge Durango HEMI Hybrid SUV
    • Chrysler Aspen HEMI Hybrid SUV
    • And potentially the BMW X5 SUV
    Toyota Hybrid Vehicles, To make the World a better place to live
    for present and next generations to come.

    Email: [email protected]

    C.Rickey Hirose, The Hybrid vehicle's Ambassador.
     
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    So what's the deal? Why is there not yet a heavy duty HSD?
     
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    usbseawolf2000 HSD PhD

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    RWD two-stage HSD appeared in LS600HL has a clutch to switch between the stages.

    For the 2-mode hybrid when reversing, can it use both 50kW motors or just one?
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    If it's a con for the Tahoe, wouldn't it also be a con for the Prius?
     
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    Why do you insist on putting Toyota in the title? Are you saying Toyota wrote this? cause that's how I'm interpreting it.
     
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    patsparks An Aussie perspective

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    Looks like a representative of Toyota. Maybe.
    Wouldn't an intro have been nice?
     
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    • A 332-horsepower 6.0-liter gasoline V8

    your making a joke?
    thats not a engine for a fuel economical car.
     
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    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
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    He's a salesperson. He usually posts on PriusOnline. Fairly reliable IIRC.
     
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    Re: GM's 2 Mode Hybrid System Explained

    This is basically from Toyota MC. This was sent out to the showrooms. I am amazed how stirred up toyota is about GM.
     
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    Re: GM's 2 Mode Hybrid System Explained

    Thanks for clarifying it.
     
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    One thing that I wonder about is if I bought a Ford Escape hybrid or a Saturn Vue hybrid, would the dealership know how to service it? The Toyota dealers all seem to have at least one hybrid service tech who specializes in them. Do Ford and GM do that too or is it just another thing that all of the overworked and underpaid service techs have to deal with and got a little training on if at all? The Ford dealers around here don't have much experience with them and I've been told that Ford won't allow them to order Escape hybrids for inventory, that the customer has to ask for it and, essentially, becomes the one who gets to wait. The wait period now, by the way, is 4 months. Yikes.