Toyota Owners Jump Ship to Tesla

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  1. vinnie97

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    Already being worked on (condos/apartments) and already answered by Zythryn.

    As for the lift, I'll have to ask the shop owner (I'm not in town where the work is being done).
     
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    I have a hunch it's the opposite. If they fought a single front they'd get their butts kicked. By splitting it into several dimensions, there are going to be many more gaps for them to slip through. This buys them more time to apply to the "fake it til you make it" system.

    It won't make their war any less easy to fight, but no single opponent can shut them down.
     
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  3. Zythryn

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    Absolutely! Of course, no one said that EVs are for everyone.
    Cars aren’t for everyone either.
     
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  4. bisco

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    it's hard to know when you are serious my friend.:)
     
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    They are in California. No car no go!
     
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    When that is a reality, then the tipping point has been reached and I already said that after the tipping point things will look very different. But as of now it is simply not reality. You can not recharge a Tesla in any town. And even if you manage to find a place, it will not be fast. Even a supercharger station will take a better part of an hour to fill up. Today, I am talking today. We are talking about today's reality of Tesla's teenagerdom.

    Again, when tipping point has been achieved that may be true, but today it's not real.


    At 30mpg and $3/gallon it costs $0.10 to go a mile.

    A Tesla S uses about 0.3kwh/mile (a quick search, not sure).
    At $0.15/kwh (California rate) it would cost $0.45 to go a mile.

    So again, today your statement does not reflect reality.
     
  7. Zythryn

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    Please double check your math :)
     
  8. bisco

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    is a decimal point really something to get chuffed about?(n)
     
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    I am sorry, I screwed that up.


    At 0.3kwh/mile and $0.15/kwh it would cost $0.05/mile.
     
  10. Zythryn

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    Thus his statement does reflect reality.
    Gas prices vary state to state. And the fuel efficiency of each car varies.
    Electric prices can vary widely within each state and utility.
    And of course, people may generate their own power.
     
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    So at 30mpg a gas car (at $3/gal) is twice as expensive in terms of fuel as 0.3kwh/mile car in California ($0.15/kwh). That is actually very good news and I am very happy about that.
     
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    No, he said the cost is 25% of gas cost and we only see 50%, so not reality yet. also, generating own electricity is not free. I hate when people throw that up as if it were. It cost to purchase and operate equipment to generate electric energy. ROI on these things is not 0, it's more like 15 years.
     
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  13. Zythryn

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    I did not mean to say it is free, I apologize for any confusion.
    My solar, fully amortized, means my power for the next 35 years is 1.5 cents per/kWh. I didn't mention the costs as they vary widely depending upon local and federal incentives and production.
     
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  14. William Redoubt

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    It doesn't matter. The expense of buying a Tesla makes it a poor deal. One can drive many miles on the delta between the cost of a new Prius Hybrid and that of any Tesla available today. And all of those miles will be free of range anxiety.
     
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    The latest electricity price averages by State, EIA says for April 2018:

    CA is 16.1 cents/kWh residential
    EIA - Electricity Data


    AAA says today's (7/10/2018) gasoline price in CA is $3.658/gallon
    AAA Gas Prices
     
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    If you aren’t interested in the performance, quality of the ride, and other things included in the price tag, it certainly is a poor deal to pay it.
    By the way, my last 175,000 miles of driving electric have all been free of range anxiety ;)

    As for financial costs, here is an interesting blog that I just found.
    It compares costs of a LR Model 3 to a BMW 3 series with similar specs.

     
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    Thanks for giving me a "reality check."

    Gasoline in Southern California is currently >$4/gal for 87 octane.

    Electricity in Southern California currently averages about $0.12/kwh and much lower at TOU night rates.

    Tesla model 3 owners (which uses about 15/20% less power than a model S) who use their car for commuting in Southern California verify that their "fuel" costs are 25% of their former ICE car. My SIL who will be commuting in a model 3 figures the BEV will save him a minimum of $200/month on "fuel" compared to his ICE car.
     
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  18. vinnie97

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    Got a make and model for you: Quick Jack 7000SLX (of course you'll need to conduct your own dimension checks to see if it will fit your vehicle's frame)

    The 3 is now receiving an IR baking after its freshly applied ceramic coating: [​IMG]
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    Almost 3 months old, less than 45 miles on it (<10 driven by me, please don't be a drive unit infant mortality!):
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    It should be aesthetically complete tomorrow morning!
     
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  19. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Source: Honda Hydrogen Fuel Credit Card | Clarity Fuel Cell | Palo Alto CA

    Honda will provide you with a fuel card good for up to $15,000 worth of hydrogen fuel during your three year lease.

    Current hydrogen goes for ~$16/kg which gives just under 70 miles. To simplify the math, we'll use $15/kg and 70 miles per kg:
    • 70,000 mi = ($15000 / $15/kg) * 70 mi/kg :: over 3 years
    Now that is the way to equate capital costs (i.e., lease) and fuel.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    A plug-in hybrid has both an electric and gas rating. Since it is the same car, the math is simple:
    • 2017 Prius Prime
      • 25 kW/100 mi
      • 1.9 gal/100 mi (regular)
    • 2014 BMW i3-REx
      • 29 kW/100 mi
      • 2.6 gal/100 mi (premium)
    Bob Wilson
     
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