Toyota to triple output capacity for fuel cell vehicles

i think the plan is to produce hydrogen from solar cells. yeah, that's it. i'll have some more please.

 

Except for solar and wind and the "old" hydro, ALL of this should be considered a transitional step because the ultimate goal MUST be obtaining energy from a renewable source.

Society in it's present energy gobbling form has existed for only about 100 years, maybe 150.

If you envision it lasting for another 500 or 1000 years or longer, the non-renewables are bound to run out sometime.
And it will probably be sooner rather than later.

 

Tripple output capacity?

CARB and the CAFC lobby said there would be 53,000 fuel cell cars on the streets of California by the end of 2017.

Toyota's Bob Carter said we would be overwhelmed by the number of fuel cell cars sold, which to my mind said toyota would build over half of those or around 27,000.

Then we heard the toyota announcement of 3000 vehicles for the US, about 1/9 in my mind of the Bob Carter hubris.

And then this, that the 3000 is now overwhelmingly big and they are building new lines. They don't even have 1 production line. They are hand building where they built the Lexus LFA. Come on Toyota stop exaggerating. 3000 is a tiny number not a huge number. Ford sells more than that number of F series pick ups a day, and you are trying to convince us that by the end of 2017 its a huge demand.

Stop the fuel cell hype.
3000 by 2017 is tiny demand, and not worth the $220M California is spending on fuel stations.

 

There's outlets where I work,
There's outlets at my home,
Everywhere I go,
There's outlets on the road,
I'm living in a plug-in wonderland!

 

go steelers?

 

I think in the fight against plug-ins Toyota is the new GM. If toyota finds something great, the odds are that they may bury it. Not really I think the chairman of the board, not the ceo wants to kill plug-ins, but that chairman of the board is much more focused on this. Luckily others are pushing plug-in technology forward.

Toyota's slides on fcv is that they will be cheap and batteries are expensive. They need to fix those 10 year old slides before they add a plug. It is likely bmw, gm, ford, mercedes, nissan will have pre commercial vehicles with plugs, but none of them are hyping hydrogen.

We already know how to do renewables 24/7, you overbuild wind and have pumped hydro or battery back up. No one is thinking 100% rnewable in the next 20 years, but texas has gone from 0 wind to 10% wind since 2000, and easily can be 25% wind and 2% solar in 15 years. The question is price, and solar is dropping fast and wind already is cheap enough for much more to be built. It is fairly simple to drop ghg the 38% promised by building economically viable renewables, more quick cycling ccgt natural gas, and shutting down old coal and natural gas thermal plants.

 

probably won't see significant renew's until oil is almost gone or too expensive to plunder. not in my lifetime.

 

Tesla didn't sell 3000 Roadsters. How long did it take Tesla to sell 3000 cars? I'll say it takes Toyota longer to sell 3000 FCV.

 

Tesla was barely a car company when it was selling the Roadster so I don't think that is a fair comparison. They are still barely a car company and look how quickly they sold the Model S. The Model X is already sold out for the coming year and the number is higher than 3,000.

 

Tesla was founded in 2003, and delivered its first roadster in feb 2008, but was shown to the public in show car form in November 2006. I would take that as the first date. Telsa probably sold its 3000 BEV car in December of 2012. That's 6 years 1 months. Toyota released there first fuel cell car the fcev in October of 1996, so if you count that they are already over a decade behind. The fcv concept car was at the tokyo motor show in november of 2013 though if you want to not count the other toyota fuel cells. We still don't know how long it will take until they sell 3000, and how to count as 90% of these are expected to be leased or may even be given away. If tesla had toyota's resources they would have been able to ship the S 3 years after the roadster in 2011, so even if you want to compare apples to pairs, the fcv falls behind.

http://www.toyota-global.com/innovation/intelligent_transport_systems/world_congress/2014detroit/pdf/History_of_Toyota%27s_Fuel_Cell.pdf

 

Aye, we're working on cleaning up our power profile. Could be worse. In 2006 coal power made up 23% vs. 5% in 2012.

I'll have to call and see if I can get an updated profile.

 

The ramp up of the repair, parts and sales support networks is as much a part of a new technology introduction as the manufacturing. I've bought several cars where one of those was lacking. The car's idea was brilliant, the manufacturing capacity available but the ownership experience a nightmare. Rolling the cars out in limited ares means you can do things in stages and do the later areas based on what you learned in the initial ones.