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Triumph of Ayn Rand over Karl Marx

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  1. Octane

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    Government Motors is Still a Lemon

    Government Motors is Still a Lemon | National Legal and Policy Center

    Adding insult to injury, Ford -- which avoided a federal bailout -- sold more vehicles than GM in March, for only the second time in the last 13 years. GM sales growth the month before was driven by incentives that were about $1,000 higher per vehicle than Ford and the industry average. This is an indication that Ford benefits from a stronger product lineup than GM.
    Of course, part of GM's problem is that when it took a bailout from the Obama administration, it handed a trump card to Obama's stalwart ally, the United Auto Workers. The company's been unable to do much about its huge liabilities for UAW obligations and retiree pensions.
     
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    Lets keep in mind that, before GM took a bailout from Obama, they took one from Bush... something a lot of these articles tend to ignore.
     
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    A conservative anti-union group thinks that the bailout was a failure? Well I'm just shocked here..
     
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    hyo silver Awaaaaay

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    Sure, blame it on the unions again. Ford doesn't hire UAW members? Look at the difference in management - there's your answer right there. Ford is on its way up, and GM is on its way out.
     
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    GM is doing ok, coming out with new products, they are ahead of Chrysler, not as good as Ford, but thats going to change, they, along with Chrysler, need to join the better gas mileage world sooner.

    Overall I think it was a good investment for the country to bailout GM, not the one under GWB, who gave them no requirements to pay anything back though.

    Thus the problem with conservative leadership, they want to give it all away to the corporations and wealthy, with no expectation of return.
     
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    I wonder what Ayn Rand would think of her legacy: a group of clowns running around in costumes with tea bags held high, while the Koch brothers laugh all the way to the bank.

    Really, what political party has reached the same apex of a constituency: a group of pathetic, fearful, racist white trailer trash ?
     
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    What I love is that the collective anti-socialist crowd doesn't seem to have wrapped their heads around the fact that we in the US have a mixed-market economy with a heavy set of socialist components. This spans all the way from government subsidies for agriculture and defense (billions and billions of dollars every year) to the roads you drive on, fire & police protection, and sewer systems. I wonder if these people would be singing the same tune if, say, government gasoline subsidies were suddenly eliminated and gas skyrocketed to its real price of around $10 per gallon? That's just one small example of the nuances these people don't seem to understand, and it's shocking how people seem ready and willing to take a massive hit to their own bottom lines just to uphold some vacuous ideal that in effect doesn't exist in our country in the first place.
     
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    Says a Soros-bot. LOL.
     
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    Tell me that other hydrocarbons are "subsidized" too. Why is it that I can buy a 55 gal drum of IPA for about $3/gallon?

    Control freaks want to use gasoline as a social engineering mechanism.
     
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    Why don't you tell us? Isn't IPA mixed with water for consumer purchase?
     
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    tripp Which it's a 'ybrid, ain't it?

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    Ayn Rand's world view is just as ridiculous and utopian as marx's was. It's not supported by any data, it's just a flawed world view. Next....
     
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    Really? It's a ridiculous premise that corporations conspire with government and use legislation to kill their competition which results in static, fat, and unproductive organizations?
     
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    Oh, if it has so much water in it, may I pour some on you and put a match to it?
     
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    That sound you heard going over your head wasn't an airplane.:D
     
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    I'm happy to hear from a self important bigot who thinks he's superior to "white trailer trash."

    Anyway, Sage, I'm thrilled to say that as white trailer trash clinging to my guns and bible you are on my side that the Prius should be the vehicle of choice for the knuckle-dragging, jingoist, xenophobe who believes in less government.

    Especially when modified as a PHEV, the Prius often achieves 100 MPG. This has the effect of:

    1. Primarily reducing the gas tax paid to state and federal government. This lessens the ability of the government to steal dedicated tax monies generated at the pump and use it in the general fund. Further, it may even shift the balance so where the general fund is used to fix the postal roads which is a Constitutional mandate. :rockon:
    2. riding on the back of leftist idiocy and privilege such as getting free passage on HOV lanes with single drivers and in many places no tolls.
    3. Substantially eliminates need to send dollars abroad and instead replaces a bunch of that foreign oil with domestically mined COAL.
    4. Substantially cuts government out of the equation by cutting the legs off the paleo-liberals and neo-conservatives as to why we should be invading Libya or Iraq, for example.
    5. Takes money away from jackasses in: Venezuela, Mexico, Nigeria, Russia, England, and the middle east.

    So, whether you know it or not, you are supporting the agenda and hence are a Koch-Sucker.
     
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    General funds are already used to maintain "post roads". The gas tax alone hasn't been adequate for years.
     
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    Citation?
     
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    Gasoline is a "social engineering mechanism" because of it's use!

    Unless you are willing to do nothing but drive on 100% toll roads the money to pay for roads must come from somewhere. Fuel taxes are a user fee, and indeed, especially in the case of trucks, fuel taxes don't pay their costs.

    Other examples of social engineering visa vi fuel taxes is mass transit. Even if you don't use mass transit, you a most probably benefit from it, from reduced fuels use over all, reduced air pollution, reduced traffic congestion, as a way fora people who can't afford cars to get to work to support the economy etc.

    Understand, we don't live in a "free market economy" by any stretch! If we did, we would be paying (at the point of purchase) significantly more for much of what we buy, including energy, food, finished goods etc. There also wouldn't be a nuke plant to be seen!

    Funny. How "free marketeers" change their tune when confronted with e reality of how our economy works.

    Icarus
     
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    You just described Halliburton, Enron and Koch enterprises quite well.

    It is really too bad you are too ignorant and ideological to learn. The intellectual grounding for libertarian economic and political philosophy centered to a large degree at the U of Chicago, and their influence reached a pinnacle through the gwb puppet. Ideologues yes, but far from stupid. So after witnessing the collapse of the financial system and the Iraq catastrophe most of them admitted they were either wrong or in retrospect did not have a clue. All that is left from that movement are the tea party clowns and those that manipulate them.
     
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    Gee, I haven't changed my tune at all. I think you are wrong.

    And practically the entire country does prefer a transportation scenario where we individually pay for the rolling stock, liability insurance and fuel rather than collectively buying the rolling stock, fuel and liability insurance.
     
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