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U.S. auto sales

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  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    I've seen buzz about slowing auto sales off and on again the past quarter and then there is this one.
    Source: Why are U.S. auto sales suddenly slipping into reverse? - CBS News

    When news leaked out Tuesday that Ford Motor (F) would cut 10 percent of its salaried workers, it underscored how the auto industry's strong sales are slipping after years of consecutive growth since the Great Recession.

    In April, the industry reported a 4.7 percent sales drop, according to industry tracker Autodata. General Motors (GM), Fiat Chrysler (FCAU) and Ford showed declines of 7 percent or more in sales. Japanese car companies also were off in the North American market, although not as much.

    As vehicle demand has ebbed, automakers find themselves dealing with bloated inventories. At the end of April, GM had enough vehicles to last 100 days, with 60 days the ideal level.

    The lower sales affect both sedans and high-margin SUVs and trucks, which have been benefiting from lower gasoline costs. The most sluggish lines are small and midsize cars, which larger vehicles overshadow.
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    Ford did not go bankrupt in 2008 as they'd figured out what was happening and cut back early. Assuming Ford is still using the same technique, laying off 10% of their white collar workers does not bode well. There are ripples, not from just these layoffs but an order of magnitude more, unannounced.

    The suppliers to the auto industry make glass, tires, sheet metal, wiring harnesses, and a host of parts that go into those cars. When the car manufacturers slow down, it ripples throughout the suppliers. Then there is the problem of auto loans:

    During the first quarter, however, gross domestic product turned in its weakest growth in three years at a 0.7 percent annual pace, as consumer spending barely rose and companies spent less on inventories.
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    Low interest rates led to more available credit for auto buyers. One aspect was an explosion in long-term loans, to six years or so. That's a long time to be committed to a vehicle, and consumers end up paying more over time in interest.
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    As a result, car loan delinquencies (90 days or more past due) have climbed to their highest levels since 2008. The upshot is that many lenders are reexamining their lending policies, which could bring a credit contraction. . . .

    So the problem with long auto loans is they easily exceed the manufacturer warranty. So in the latter half of that loan any repair (i.e., tires, battery, windshield wiper) or maintenance cost has to compete with the monthly payment ... and it is an old car, not the latest hotness. Then the loan defaults and the bank repossess a well worn car probably suffering from inadequate maintenance and missing repairs.

    Bob Wilson
     
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  2. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Auto loans are a self-solving problem.
    Since they'll never be bundled into real estate investments or used in credit default swaps, they stand little chance of taking down the US economy.
    Giant Monster Mega-Banks (a Clark Howard moniker) have been luring more and more marginal buyers into longer and longer loans on cars that are more and more reliable, resulting in a customer base that's further and further under water on car loans.
    Unlike HELOCs and other real-estate backed instruments, there is only so many times that dealerships can finance customers into 7 and 8 year loans on cars before the principle exceeds a bank's comfort zone. Likewise, (F)leases only work a few times before the victim knows that they're getting taken - and the 0.5-percent of the (f)leases out there that make financial sense go to a number of people that are unable to maintain the manufacturing industry AND they've contributed to the glut of clean, low mileage, mechanically sound used vehicle market that's luring (smart) buyers away from the new car side of the lot.
    Everybody KNOWS that cars do not appreciate, and one can ascertain the value of any car at any time by VIN and Zip code, given non-forged records....so the system will retain its rigidity about a certain level that the car makers have exceeded with current production.
     
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  3. JimN

    JimN Let the games begin!

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    Auto loans are bundled and sold as asset based securities.

    ‘Deep Subprime’ Auto Loans Are Surging - Bloomberg

    From the link:

    "At least two dozen lenders have tapped the debt market to sell bonds that hold their subprime auto loans over the last few years. They include smaller lenders like Sierra Auto Finance, Skopos Financial and GO Financial. A high percentage of loans bundled into bonds were made to borrowers with no credit score at all."

    It's the same story. The writer doesn't care if the borrower can pay down the loan. Once it is sold it is someone else's problem.
     
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