Vehicle capacity weight

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  1. civicdriver06

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    Vehicle capacity weight has gone down quite significantly in comparison to the liftback !

    Prius : 825 lb. (375 Kg)
    Prime : 670 lb. (305 kg)

    That not very much for a midsized vehicle !
     
  2. Lee Jay

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    Car and truck carrying capacity ratings have always been a little odd. I've definitely put 1,300 pounds of people and cargo into my 2004 with no issues at all, and I've seen people put double the cargo-bed capacity in a light pickup truck with no ill effects.

    670 pounds is 4 medium-sized people and no luggage. I'd bet you could put 4 200 pound people and an additional 150 pounds of luggage in the back and not notice a big change. It's not like the frame or suspension is just going to bend or break. The big loads on a car are from corning or going over bumps at high speed. I suppose if you over load it *and* hit a big bump at high speed that problems could result, but for normal driving, it shouldn't be a problem.
     
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    They already "saved" 68kg by removing a 5th seat. (I got the number from the owner's manual. It states that the cargo capacity is based on an average weight of 68kg per person. That's approximately 150lbs).

    If you want to look at it "glass half full", it's the "same" as liftback because if it could carry 5 people, there's your 70kg difference. If you look at it "glass half-empty", that's a 148kg swing (70kg lower plus weight savings of 68kg by removing the 5th seat)

    I recall an article (online newspaper?) that stated that carrying capacity is low in new vehicles and the example they used was a Dodge Grand Caravan. It has seats for 7 but cannot carrying 7 large adults because it would exceed the carrying capacity listed in the driver's door jamb.


    If we were to use Toyota's numbers of 68kg/150lbs per person, that leaves 33kg/72 lbs left for luggage - or about 2 carry-ons.
     
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    weightwatchers.com
     
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    Yep that sounds like the article.

    You're good at finding stuff lol.

    850 lbs for a Fusion/6/Accord eh? Only 25 lbs more than a Prius. Something isn't right. They must be just using a standard. (i.e. quote this number if you're in the midsize category. Add/subtract pounds based on engine size or whatever else to fine tune). That or they're building the cars to that standard to keep costs and weight down (like the Prius Prime).


    Looks like the Prime as a vacation car has two options (I'm generalizing here...)

    1. Two people on a road trip with luggage (and weight to spare for other things)

    2. Four people and a weekend trip with luggage. (at limit)
     
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    Or just loading it up and not worrying about it.
     
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    i must say, i have never given any thought to gvw if it's just people and luggage. it's like elevators, do you count the people before getting on?
     
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    Since it is just myself and the wife, that leaves 385 pounds for luggage. Sweet!
     
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    Or they are understating it for potential legal reasons.
     
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    How the Toyota's line up

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    2017 "86" & 2016 FR-S
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    Luggage compartment load capacity
    970 lb. (445 kg) With 5 occupants
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    2017 Sienna
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    if you're loading bricks in the hatch, 1 or 2 rows are already taken, so that helps.:cool:
     
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    I bring a scale when shopping for garden or building materails. If they are wet they weigh much more than the bag says. Even so 9 bags of compost (40 lb) 3 per seat and 2 bales of peat moss (3cuft) in the trunk/hatch looks very heavy but easily fits in the Chevy weighing less than 3 adults.
     
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    a scale? really? i didn't think it mattered that much if you take it easy on the drive home.
     
  15. Tideland Prius

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    So.... how much lower is the weight capacity if you added the solar roof option? (You have the roof and the small NiMH battery with this option). Perhaps those in Europe can shed some light when they get a hold of their owners (operating) manual.
     
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    I have a 13' Plug-In Advanced and I swear to everyone that "Everything fits in a Prius". I love my car and today she lived up to my statement. I went to Home Depot and loaded 60 4"×8"×12" solid blocks at 26 pounds a piece AND 20 bags of 2'cf mulch at 30 pounds each. The car held up and it was low although tires didn't rub. As I had hit a stop light on a hill, I didn't chance it and threw on power mode to start the short climb. I was surprised that it did what its supposed too. I don't think I'll load another 2,160 pounds of cargo and it didn't include my weight lol. Love my Prius.
     
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    @E-GINO do you know how much the weight capacity is with your solar-roof-equipped PHV?
     
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    Apparently 3,000 pounds is adequate to drive a VW Jetta's rear shocks through the body and pop the tires ....

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    So wherever the line is, 2,160 pounds might be approaching it.

    I read a lot of posts where people put large overloads on a car and report that it hauled the load ok. I don't read nearly as many where they say they checked its behavior in an unplanned stop.
     
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    325 kg. Sorry for the late reply...
    p.s. the data is coming from the certification sheet which is an official document provided by the Transport Minister to each car owner, The certification sheet sais that the vehicle empty mass is equal to 1530 kg, and the to-not-exceed mass is equal to 1855 kg. The fuel mass for the 40 l tank is equal to (0,68*40)=27,2 kg. Hence, in my car I can load roughly 300 kg in total (passengers + cargo).
     
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    Hmm, in our manual, it’s listed as 305kg. How can it be more than yours if you have a solar roof?
     
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