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Video: Is Steve Durnin's D-Drive the holy grail of infinitely variable transmissions?

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  1. cwerdna

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    Video: Is Steve Durnin's D-Drive the holy grail of infinitely variable transmissions?

    Someone on my350.com posted D-Drive Infinitely Variable Transmission - MY350Z.COM Forums but from my cursory glance (I'm not PSD expert, by any stretch), it almost seems like a more complicated, yet rehashed version of the PSD.

    Thoughts, esp. from those who know the PSD a LOT better than me? Did this guy just stumble across what the PSD has been doing since 1997?
     
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    usbseawolf2000 HSD PhD

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    It is nothing like the HSD.

    It is a complex setup to vary speed in positive, neutral and negative directions. It does not multiply torque or the speed of the engine.
     
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    Actually the principle is very much like the HSD, but with more
    parts, and so far nothing to account for the substantial amount
    of power that's going to be sent to those two silly little
    bevel gears. Running things like this with little motors is
    one thing, but when you actually start wanting to put some real
    power through the thing the whole game changes. The idea of
    "catching" some of that power electrically and sending it to the
    other shaft-control motor is, in fact, *exactly* how the HSD
    works in steady-state when there's no battery current in or out.
    The power sent through that "electrical hop" is not trivial, so
    it has to be handled in a meaningful and efficient way.
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    JimboPalmer Tsar of all the Rushers

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    As I watched it, I saw a great many forces that were not balanced on the centerline. As you scale this up, it will push sideways (nonproductively) a lot. There were bent shafts which will be hard to scale.

    This is not insurmountable, belt CVT transmissions started small and grew as it's problems were solved, but I bet that automotive sized uses are not the first use.

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    about that holy grail thing...

    D-Drive redux: about that holy grail thing...

    Firstly, the D-Drive as pictured in our video is not a complete infinitely variable transmission system. At best, according to the engineering report, it is a cheap, innovative and potentially very useful primary component of an IVT.

    The key problem here is that the D-Drive's control shaft needs to be driven at variable speeds in order to effect the final ratio - so effectively, you need a variable drive motor attached to the D-Drive before it actually works. e3k's engineering report goes so far as to say the control shaft could foreseeably be driven through an external CVT, using a clutch - which of course introduces not one, but two friction components to the system.