What hit the Pentagon?

I'm not a conspiracy theorist - in fact, I thought this theory was so distasteful that I hadn't searched out any details, until they appeared on PriusChat. I admit I'm hardly convinced - not even sure it's credible, as I haven't looked at the details. I am a little confused as to why the response to conspiracy theories would be to release an inconclusive tape. I was active in the Civil Air Patrol for quite a while, and even worked a few crash sites. I can't imagine that if a 757 hit the Pentagon, it wouldn't be obvious that a 757 hit the Pentagon. It should be easy to find one short tape that would make it crystal clear.

How has this gotten stirred up? Jared, have any facts for a SAR girl like me to skim through? I admit I'm afraid to see what kind of sites this must be popping up on.

 

Seeing how the WTC was definitely hit by large commercial airplanes (we're not disputing that too are we?), why is it so hard to believe that a plane that disappeared over DC, from which cell phone calls were received stating that it had been hijacked, was what slammed into the Pentagon?

I'm curious. Did they ever retrieve any large piece of the planes that hit the WTC towers?

 

That the gov't, especially THIS gov't, refuses to release information does not automatically mean that Flight 77 didn't hit the pentagon. It only means that some gov't functionaries fear embarassment or loss of their jobs if they release info. Sheesh.

Conspiracist wackos: answer a few obvious, glaring questions:

Why was Flight 77's flight data recorder recovered from the ruins of pentagon, if the jet hadn't flown into it? It was this recorder that gave investigators the information that Flight 77's autopilot had been disengaged several minutes prior to the crash.

What did the C-130 pilot, instructed to follow to the airliner he'd nearly collided with, see when he turned to follow it and watched it crash into the pentagon?

And most important, WHERE is Flight 77, if not at the pentagon?

The conspiracist nuts complain that Flight 77's hijacking pilot wasn't skilled enough to make the maneuvers observed by numerous witnesses before the jet struck the pentagon, so it could not have struck the pentagon. Well, here's some news just in: the Titanic's helmsman wasn't skilled enough to steer such a large ship such a precise glancing blow against the iceberg, so the Titanic never sank. It's ancient hull was recently discovered in Perth, ashore and converted in 1916 to a block of low rent flats.

The Cheney (Bush puppet) gov't is without question witholding info, stonewalling and in all respects behaving in a manner that gives undiluted evil a bad name, but attacking it by claiming space aliens teleported a full sized airliner to Alpha Centaurus, or whatever it is the conspiracist loons' confused, incoherent claims are, does NOT help.

Mark Baird
Alameda CA

 

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No, most important is where are the passengers from Flight 77.

Maybe it is a Women's Gymnastics conspiracy! :huh:
You know how ugly competitive cheerleading can get. You also remember what happened to Nancy Kerrigan, don't you? I believe womens' sports has a very sinister side which has not been fully reported by the mainstream media. There is a cover-up going on. I think the sports writers are too afraid that they will upset "The Syndicate" if they report what really happens behind the scenes.

My theory of Flight 77:
Look no further than the United States Air Force Academy Women's Gymnastics program. Reportedly headed by several five star generals, and an unidentified underworld type civilian, who work from a secret room behind the women's locker room. Their mission; To advance the Air Force's position as THE superior branch of the US Military – in every aspect . . . from number of Washington insiders to bragging rights of who has the best pilots . . . and all the way down to who has the best sports teams. After all, they were admirers of the propaganda value demonstrated by the Nazi sports machine.

A perfect storm of opportunity arose when their super-secret "Subjugator" computer program informed them that Flight 77 was a golden opportunity to advance their goal. Not only would they be taking out several influential retired and ex-Navy personnel, including the pilot of the aircraft, but by flying the aircraft directly into the Navy wing of the Pentagon, they would be striking a direct blow to the branch of the service which they most abhor. The last bit of information which gave the secret mission a “GO,†was the fact that the Women's Gymnastics program's arch enemy's recently hired coach was listed as a passenger on the flight. Indeed, Coach Mari-Rae Sopper was on her way to meet the team for the first time. It was common nowledge in the gymnastics world that Mari-Rae was the final ingredient which would have transformed the UC Santa Barbra women's gymnastics program into an unbeatable national collegiate powerhouse.
http://www.instadv.ucsb.edu/coachdies/index.html

Proof of the effectiveness of the generals' decision to take out Flight 77 . . .

March 28, 2002
Colorado Springs, Colo. -
With a season-high team score of 189.25, the UC Santa Barbara women's gymnastics tem finished fifth at the Mountain Pacific Sports Federation Championships on March 23 in Colorado Springs, Colo.
Sacramento State won the league crown with a score of 194.400, followed by meet host Air Force (194.650), San Jose State (193.375) and UC Davis (192.000).
http://ucsbgauchos.cstv.com/sports/w-gym/r.../032802aaa.html

The generals failed to take into account the quarter of a point margin of error of their computer system, and an upstart Sacramento State team spoiled their plans by 0.250 points . . . coincidence? I think not.
If I were Sac State's Women's Gymnastics coach, I'd be watching my back and flying under an assumed name.

 

Are we supposed to believe that after two planes hit the World Trade Towers, and shortly before a third crashed into a field because the passengers turned against the hijackers, the CIA, or some other super-secret government agency, hijacked flight 77 and took it somewhere secret and secretly imprisoned the passengers, and then crashed something else into the pentagon to cover up for their own hijacking? And for what purpose? At least the JFK conspiracy theorists can offer a plausible motive for their conspiracy (somebody wanted LBJ instead of JFK in the White House).

All I can say is, that's pretty wacky.

Sure the government has covered up for its own stupidity and incompetence, and refused to give out lots of information. But this notion that whatever hit the Pentagon was not flight 77, is the looniest of all the conspiracy theories going around.

 

What hit the Pentagon??

Nothing!!!!

It was all done on a sound stage. The same sound stage that 'faked' the moon landings. Don't you guys know anything??? Going to the moon?? How could that be possible?

(joking of course.......it's 1:32 AM, what the hell am I doing on PriusChat. I need to get a life )

 

Frankly, I find this nauseating thread an insult to my intelligence, and an afront to every decent American. I've got news for the simple minded left wing nut job conspiracy theorists. It was 19 fanatical Arab Islamists -- not Bush, and not some dark neocon plot. And yes, Jews did go to work at the WTC and Pentagon on 9/11. End of story.

 

Maybe it was space aliens who abducted flight 77, and the government crashed two planes into the World Trade Towers, a third into the ground, and then a spare cargo plane into the Pentagon, claiming that one was flight 77 in order to cover it up.

NOT!

Hey, it makes as much sense as any of the other conspiracy theories.

 

If it is so cut and dried, end of story, why not reveal all the video?

Don't get me wrong, I, too , don't want to believe bush and co. (hell, our WHOLE higher-up govt.!) planned this (read PNACs website), but, there are too many holes that Fox news has filled so conveniently that , sheesh, why wouldn't people just believe it and move on? That's what PNAC wants. Really. Go read it. Scary stuff.

Question everything about the bush administration. Too many unanswered questions, too many people believing the lie.

PS from all the footage (both pre-attack and post-crash...where ARE the big parts of this massive airplane!), I see a missle. Yep, there, I said it. This is what I see. Maybe I'm wrong. Please, prove me wrong.

 

I wastched only one of the video's and I will say I did NOT see a big plane, but that does not mean that it was not part of the plane that hit from a crash site just outside of the video range, like a big piece of the engine or something.

Who cares what happened, it is a tragedy no matter how you break it down.

phil