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What, in your opinion, makes for a good life?

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  1. jared2

    jared2 New Member

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    And what do we mean by 'good"?
     
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    The love between your wife (spouse), children, and pets
     
  3. jared2

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(eyeguy13 @ Jun 12 2006, 02:02 PM) [snapback]270013[/snapback]</div>
    Agreed, except for pets. :)

    I know it sounds like a terribly difficult philosophical question, but it is really very simple. I'm not asking some ridiculous question like "what is the meaning of life" (already addressed by Monty Python, et al)

    As I mentioned before, there is no need to assume life has meaning in order to speculate on what makes for a good life. It is possible to define the parameters of a good life while, at the same time, being convinced of its arbitrariness and meaninglessness on a universal scale. After all, we live on the human scale, not the universal.
    If the "universe" cares nothing for us, we need care nothing for it. I would say if you have these elements, you should be happy and consider your life a good one:

    good physical and mental health for yourself
    same for your family
    having a spouse and/or children
    having a career you like
    having sufficient money (too much is as bad as too little in my opinion)
    having a model of the world (belief system0that is at least tolerant and humane, if not true
    being free from wars and despotic governments
    Having a sense that you are very small and very unimportant in the scheme of things - just an observer, passing through
    having some appreciation for the beauty of the world and other forms of life


    Any other suggestions?
     
  4. Mystery Squid

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    Hmmm...

    I think for me it has varied over time, but some of the 'foundation' ones are:

    ...being able to easily, and adequately, sustain yourself.

    ...and everything else I tend to see as a bonus.

    For example:

    Being healthy (that really is number 1 I suppose, but who cares for form anyway! :D )

    ...living in a great climate where you can go swimming just about everyday after work... (check!) :D

    ...get to know as many weird people as I can.

    ...great relationships in general.

    There are more, I'm too lazy to type right now. :D
     
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    "being able to easily, and adequately, sustain yourself.

    ...and everything else I tend to see as a bonus."

    You obviously don't have children :)
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Jun 12 2006, 02:27 PM) [snapback]270032[/snapback]</div>
    Living a purpose-driven life, feeling that I've made a net contribution, rather than just being an observer or, worse, a 'taker'.

    Raising my children to be responsible, happy adults who also contribute in life. "Happy" doesn't equate to "giddy"; it equates to self-satisfaction and a deep capacity for joy.

    Oh, and that 'deep capacity for joy' goes for me, too!
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Jun 12 2006, 02:41 PM) [snapback]270043[/snapback]</div>
    In a way, we all have children, don't we?

    Those who don't have full, 100% individual, fertilized, children, have, at the very least, 50% of a child in the form of either sperm or egg.

    So to answer your rather ambiguous question the best I can, yes, I do have a 50% non-fertilized child component yet to be born.

    :ph34r:
     
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    Since you have 50% of a child, does that mean you will only schedule piano lessons for every other week?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Jun 12 2006, 02:59 PM) [snapback]270050[/snapback]</div>
    Sounds like you don't plan to remain single and childless forever. Happy father's day!
     
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    Regarding the importance of family, my impression of N. American culture in general is that the greatest source of unhappiness is the isolation of the individual. I believe that, according to the census, single person houseolds are now the most common living arrangement in this country. Other places are quite different. In China, for example, it is quite rare to live alone. As someone who actually lived alone for many years, I believe it is not a happy human condition, but others may disagree. Could loneliness and isolation be at the root of many social problems - addictions [alcohol, drugs, gambling, porn, perscription drugs, promiscuious sex, religion] Are not all of these symptomatic of an atomized culture? (It is no coincidence I am reading Houellebecq's The Possibility of an Island) People in China (and probably many other cultures) are nowhere near as isolated as they are here. Too much isolation seems to beget a neurotic obession with self.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Jun 12 2006, 04:17 PM) [snapback]270099[/snapback]</div>
    Wow, I actually sort of totally agree with you on this one!
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Jun 12 2006, 04:22 PM) [snapback]270103[/snapback]</div>
    That's because it deals with something more human, real and fundamental than politics which is, frankly, just meritricious power games. Life is too short to be hung up on political flames. I know where I stand in politcal terms (I admire the scandinavian form of government). So what? I don't want to convert anyone to my view; I don't even want to argue with them because it is a complete waste of time. There are more interesting things to do. There are few less interesting things than the liberal/conservative slug fests in, for instance, this chat room.
    They remind me of that Dr. Zeus story about the north-going something that always goes north and the south going something that always goes south - so they glower at each other, refuse to give way and just stagnate in their ruts.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Jun 12 2006, 11:27 AM) [snapback]270032[/snapback]</div>
    A "good" life is sustainable quality, not short-term quantity. Anyone can be caught up in the short-term media hyperbole. This includes fresh, contaminant-free food and water, energy efficient housing, transportation; clean air, freedom from violence and crowding.
     
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    A good life=providing my son everything he needs to live a good life.

    That includes taking care of myself, our household, the environment, the country, the world...

    This seems like a simplistic list, and if you'd have asked me 4 years ago, I would've had a totally different response. Being a parent changes everything--for the better. :)
     
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    A Twelve Inch Prius! :lol:
     
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    That's nothing! I have a 175 inch Prius! :p
     
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    i think above all health matters most. your own and that of your loved ones. i know from experience that any of these being affected takes a lot out of you. (i'm walking around with dark circles under my eyes... haven't gotten a good night's sleep since DH was diagnosed with sleep apnea)

    next is your connections on an emotional level. spouse, parents, siblings, children, friends whoever.

    then it's doing what makes you happy for a living. if you don't feel like your job is important or worth the time or doing a damn thing for the community, you tend to ask why you're even there.

    being able to support yourself is also up there. money is among the top causes of marital stress. i can vouch for that too. plus, it does suck not knowing if you'll be able to pay the bills for the month.

    i think there's much more to the good life than any of us can describe here.
     
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    Perhaps we need to add: being able to control if and when you want to have children.

    Also, not having to leave earth.
     
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    Although I'm not really a Buddhist I find that their teachings agree with the values I was born with. I've read many things on the subject and have found the writings of His Holiness, The Dali Lama, the most sensible words I've ever read.

    So, no matter WHAT religion you follow, or if you follow non like me, do the world a favor and practice what the Dali Lam preaches.

    Dali Lama - Instructions for Life

    1. Take into account that great love and great achievements involve great risk.
    2. When you lose, don't lose the lesson.
    3. Follow the three R’s:

    Respect for self
    Respect for others and
    Responsibility for all your actions.

    4. Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a wonderful stroke of luck.
    5. Learn the rules so you know how to break them properly.
    6. Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship.
    7. When you realize you've made a mistake, take immediate steps to correct it.
    8. Spend some time alone every day.
    9. Open your arms to change, but don't let go of your values.
    10. Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer.
    11. Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back, you'll be able to enjoy it a second time.
    12. A loving atmosphere in your home is the foundation for your life.
    13. In disagreements with loved ones deal only with the current situation. Don't bring up the past.
    14. Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality.
    15. Be gentle with the earth.
    16. Once a year, go someplace you've never been before.
    17. Remember that the best relationship is one in which your love for each other exceeds your need for each other.
    18. Judge your success by what you had to give up in order to get it.
    19. Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon.
     
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    "19. Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon."

    I tried that and got spagetti sauce all over my face.

    Seriously, Buddhism seems to be one of the least pernicious religions out there.

    Are Buddhists pacifists? Completely against war? If so, we could eliminate war if everyone became Buddhist. That alone disposes me toward Buddhism. It would be hard to give up my rack of lamb, though.