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what is the EPA for the 2010 prius?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Fuel Economy' started by Dominic, Aug 25, 2010.

  1. Dominic

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    I am a little confused to be honest.

    toyota.ca states that the car is rated for 3.7L /100Km (76mpg) in city and a little less for highway and combined.

    toyota.com states that the car is rated for 51 mpg in city....

    now is it me or there is a difference of 25 mpg between the two web site?

    i don't really understand...

    thx for shedding a light to this.
     
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    Different test cycles

    US EPA 48 highway, 51 city, 50 combined.
    Other test cycles are less demanding. Check out the Japan rating.
     
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    isn't it 63? and it's probably a different test, thus different results just like we all get!
     
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    ok just to add on to the confusion, after a quick google search,

    apparently 3.7L/100km = 63.5 mpg, not 76 as stated by toyota.ca! now i'm really mixed up!

    thinking i was just trying to see what i was SUPPOSED to get with this car! Turned out to be much more complicated than i thought! :(


    if your replies, you guys mention "test cycles". what's a test cycle? and what's varies from different cycle? in my mind, you keep the same car, so results should be the same no matter where you are! no?
     
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    government testing is done in a laboratory. every model vehicle is tested the same way so that the consumer can compare one vehicle to another. you can expect to get somewhere near the reported test results, but it very much depends on your environment and driving style. it's the same car in canada, more or less and their results are based on different lab testing. it's the same reason you see people here reporting 70 mpg avg and 40 mpg avg and everything in between. and the 76 mpg at toyota.ca is a calculation mistake.:)
     
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    3.7 L/100km = 76.34 miles per Imperial Gallon.

    No they didn't make a calculation mistake, yes they're still cheating!
     
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    imperial gallon?!?! litres! gallons! can't we all just get along? oh, the humanity!:eek:
     
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    Each test cycle is a very specific set of accelerations, stops, top speeds. Speed and stop & go have a huge impact on mpg. Then you go to the real world and add wind, precipitation, hills, traffic, temperature, etc., and it is a wonder we get anywhere at all on a gallon (or liter or imperial gallon).
     
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    ;)Yes it can be a little confusing. Who do you believe?

    A - Toyota.ca 76 mpg (Imperial) / 3.7 L/100km
    B - Toyota.com 50 mpg (US) / 4.7 L/100km
    C - All of the above
    D - None of the above
    E - Me
    F...

    The best answer? Me (I'd like to think), as a real life Prius owner/driver.

    You'll get around 40 to 45 mpg (US gallon) if you drive it like a normal car (my brother got this in NY city driving), with occasional Air-conditioning, some up and down hill slopes and normal traffic and red light stoppages in city.

    You'll get 45-50...ish mpg driving with the flow of traffic (normally 10-20% faster than speed limit) on highways/freeways. These observations are for driving without incorporating any hypermiling techniques.

    You'll be able to get even up to 70...ish mpg if you incorporate ALL the hypermiling techniques you can find in the world (at least in this forum), that is, if you live in a place where you are the ONLY driver in the area, or if you treat all other drivers on the road as non-existant and ignore their anger about you imepeding traffic.

    For me, I'm getting average 57 mpg all city driving my Prius with almost unnoticable hypermiling techniques, that is, I follow the flow of traffic, do not lag behind, nor tailgate the car in front, and they don't even know I'm hypermiling.

    I Power Pulse to accelerate to the normal traffic speed (usually between 40-45 mph), set it to cruise control, look way ahead for traffic stoppage such as red lights, put it to neutral gliding for as long a distance as possible before stopping, put it back to "D" gear to recoup energy to the battery through the motor/regenerators just about 50 yards before actually stopping.

    Different geographical and city configuration, traffic density, local driving culture, temperature (affecting length of time for warming up), etc, etc, will affect the outcome, but the ballpark: 50...ish mpg should be quite obtainable.

    I guess the final answer is really:
    Z - yourself, drive a Prius and you'll find out, and will enjoy doing it;)
     
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    so they use imperial gallon in canada? that's kind of stupid since i've never even heard of that!

    now, if it is indeed the same car and all, shouldn't the 2 toyota site have the same measurement (3.7 or 4.7L /100km)?
     
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    Canadian government numbers are different
    I have gotten 3.9 l/100km driving the 401
    I trip to Dartmouth from close to TO
    I got 5.4 l/100km driving at about 120 all the way with 4 adults, and some cases of Garrson beer:D
     
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    WOW, you must be really young
    Gas was change from Imp gallons to litres in '76 or so but most car companies still gave Imp gallson in 2000's, It just sounded better
     
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    was born in '78... and i am from Quebec... so we were probably on the french regime before that anyway... so no, i've only know Liters...
     
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    and also, canada, being north of the u.s., and closer to the pole, has less gravity, and thusly, the car is lighter on it's feet reducing rolling resistance and increasing mpg, err kmpl, err mpig?;)
     
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    the EPA rating is what you see on every car sticker in the United States. Other countries appear to have higher mileages, but they have more bogus testing procedures. Ask the prius drivers in other countries, they are getting similar mileages to us. All the priuses in the world are the same. How you rate the mileage is subjective. But the EPA seems to be most accurate. Most of us are getting in the 50mpg range.
     
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    The EPA has change their system in the last couple of years
    They did use the same testing as Canada did
    We jusr ro lazy to change ours :D
     
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    all i know is i bought gas in canada a couple times, and could never figure out how much gas i bought, nor how much i paid for it.
     
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    If the Canadian measure is the old US EPA measure, that is the number we want for CAFE Fleet averages in the US