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  1. geologyrox

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    I haven't, but was at FactCheck.org (not.com =P) and saw this: http://factcheck.org/article395.html

    One ad: "Announcer: There’s something in these pictures you can’t see. It’s essential to life. We breathe it out.Plants breathe it in. It comes from animal life, the oceans, the earth, and the fuels we find in it. It’s called carbon dioxide---CO2. The fuels that produce C02 have freed us from a world of back-breaking labor, lighting up our lives, allowing us to create and move the things we need, the people we love. Now some politicians want to label carbon dioxide a pollutant. Imagine if they succeed. What would our lives be like then? Carbon dioxide. They call it pollution. We call it life."

    Another: "Announcer: You've seen those headlines about Global Warming. The glaciers are melting. We’re doomed! That's what several studies supposedly found. But other scientific studies found exactly the opposite: Greenland ’s glaciers are growing, not melting; The Antarctic ice sheet is getting thicker, not thinner. Did you see any big headlines about that? Why are they trying to scare us? Global warming alarmists claim the glaciers are melting because of carbon dioxide from the fuels we use. Let’s force people to cut back, they say. But we depend on those fuels to grow our food, move our children, light up our lives. And as for carbon dioxide, it isn't smog or smoke. It’s what we breathe out and plants breathe in. Carbon dioxide. They call it pollution. We call it life."

    Factcheck notes that the scientists whose studies are being quoted above are in an uproar - and does a nice job of refuting the ads all around.
     
  2. larkinmj

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    Today I was talking to Prof. Kate Moran, an oceanographer at the University of RI, who, in 2004, obtained the first sediment cores from the seafloor of the Arctic Ocean, and knows this subject as well as anyone. And she considers global warming a real, and significant, threat. Climate models have predicted that global warming would cause initial thickening of the Antarctic ice sheets. But it is sometimes difficult for the layman to accept that a phenomenon such as global warming has sometimes paradoxical effects (e.g., global warming may lead to cooling of the climate in the UK and northern Europe.) Thus, it is easy for the naysayers to explot this in an attempt to discredit the theory.

    Paul Krugman wrote a good column in the NY Times today on the Al Gore film, and he lambasts the National review and the CEI for twisting the words of Curt Davis, the scientist whose research is mentioned. Prof. Davis has issued a press release (you can read it here) to protest his research being misrepresented.

    For anyone who wants to see the CEI ads, you can view them here. One of them says about CO2, "we call it life." What's next- "Mercury and Arsenic- they're GOOD for you!"
     
  3. galaxee

    galaxee mostly benevolent

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    poison ivy: it's natural so it must be good for you!

    yeahhhhh. way to prey on the general lack of science education in this country.
     
  4. geologyrox

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(galaxee @ May 26 2006, 05:03 PM) [snapback]261468[/snapback]</div>
    Heh, inspiring, isn't it?

    And, btw, congratulations! =)
     
  5. ghostofjk

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    The NY Times now charges a fee for access to its "premium" columnists (Krugman, Tom Friedman, Maureen Dowd) on the day their columns run. (You local paper may carry them a day or two later.) But Truthout frequently reproduces columns it likes on the liberal side, including Krugman's. I assume Truthout will carry today's column, and as soon as they post it (if they do), I'll provide a link.
     
  6. EricGo

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    Where is the money for the commercials coming from ?
    CEI is just a front. For whom ?
     
  7. geologyrox

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(EricGo @ May 26 2006, 06:46 PM) [snapback]261511[/snapback]</div>
    Exxon is a big contributer, factcheck.org mentions that. You question made me think, though - I checked wiki (which notes that the neutrality of some of their info is disputed) which says:

    "CEI does not publish a list of its institutional donors, but the following companies and foundations are known to have given $10,000 or more:

    Aequus Institute, Amoco Foundation, Inc., Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, Coca-Cola Company, E.L. Craig Foundation, ExxonMobil ($405,000 during 2002) [6], CSX Corporation, Earhart Foundation, Fieldstead and Co., FMC Foundation, Ford Motor Company Fund, Gilder Foundation, Koch Family Foundations (including the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation, David H. Koch Charitable Foundation, and Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation), Philip M. McKenna Foundation, Inc., Curtis and Edith Munson Foundation, Philip Morris Companies, Inc., Pfizer Inc., Precision Valve Corporation, Prince Foundation, Rodney Fund, Sheldon Rose, Scaife Foundations (Carthage Foundation and Sarah Scaife Foundation), and Texaco, Inc. (Texaco Foundation).

    Other known CEI funders include:

    American Petroleum Institute, ARCO Foundation, Armstrong Foundation, Burlington Northern Railroad Co., Cigna Corporation, Detroit Farming Inc., Dow Chemical, EBCO Corp., General Motors Corporation, IBM, Jacqueline Hume Foundation, JM Foundation, Vernon K. Krieble Foundation, John William Pope Foundation, Smith Richardson Foundation, Roe Foundation and Alex C. Walker Foundation."


    I should note that this group is small potatoes - we're talking total donations per year of less than $3mil.
     
  8. larkinmj

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ghostofjk @ May 26 2006, 05:11 PM) [snapback]261474[/snapback]</div>
    For you guys, I'm happy to oblige :) (as a paid subscriber to the NY Times, I get free downloads):

    May 26, 2006
    Op-Ed Columnist
    A Test of Our Character
    By PAUL KRUGMAN
    In his new movie, "An Inconvenient Truth," Al Gore suggests that there are three reasons it's hard to get action on global warming. The first is boiled-frog syndrome: because the effects of greenhouse gases build up gradually, at any given moment it's easier to do nothing. The second is the perception, nurtured by a careful disinformation campaign, that there's still a lot of uncertainty about whether man-made global warming is a serious problem. The third is the belief, again fostered by disinformation, that trying to curb global warming would have devastating economic effects.

    I'd add a fourth reason, which I'll talk about in a minute. But first, let's notice that Mr. Gore couldn't have asked for a better illustration of disinformation campaigns than the reaction of energy-industry lobbyists and right-wing media organizations to his film.

    The cover story in the current issue of National Review is titled "Scare of the Century." As evidence that global warming isn't really happening, it offers the fact that some Antarctic ice sheets are getting thicker — a point also emphasized in a TV ad by the Competitive Enterprise Institute, which is partly financed by large oil companies, whose interests it reliably represents.

    Curt Davis, a scientist whose work is cited both by the institute and by National Review, has already protested. "These television ads," he declared in a press release, "are a deliberate effort to confuse and mislead the public about the global warming debate." He points out that an initial increase in the thickness of Antarctica's interior ice sheets is a predicted consequence of a warming planet, so that his results actually support global warming rather than refuting it.

    Even as the usual suspects describe well-founded concerns about global warming as hysteria, they issue hysterical warnings about the economic consequences of environmentalism. "Al Gore's global warming movie: could it destroy the economy?" Fox News asked.

    Well, no, it couldn't. There's some dispute among economists over how forcefully we should act to curb greenhouse gases, but there's broad consensus that even a very strong program to reduce emissions would have only modest effects on economic growth. At worst, G.D.P. growth might be, say, one-tenth or two-tenths of a percentage point lower over the next 20 years. And while some industries would lose jobs, others would gain.

    Actually, the right's panicky response to Mr. Gore's film is probably a good thing, because it reveals for all to see the dishonesty and fear-mongering on which the opposition to doing something about climate change rests.

    But "An Inconvenient Truth" isn't just about global warming, of course. It's also about Mr. Gore. And it is, implicitly, a cautionary tale about what's been wrong with our politics.

    Why, after all, was Mr. Gore's popular-vote margin in the 2000 election narrow enough that he could be denied the White House? Any account that neglects the determination of some journalists to make him a figure of ridicule misses a key part of the story. Why were those journalists so determined to jeer Mr. Gore? Because of the very qualities that allowed him to realize the importance of global warming, many years before any other major political figure: his earnestness, and his genuine interest in facts, numbers and serious analysis.

    And so the 2000 campaign ended up being about the candidates' clothing, their mannerisms, anything but the issues, on which Mr. Gore had a clear advantage (and about which his opponent was clearly both ill informed and dishonest).

    I won't join the sudden surge of speculation about whether "An Inconvenient Truth" will make Mr. Gore a presidential contender. But the film does make a powerful case that Mr. Gore is the sort of person who ought to be running the country.

    Since 2000, we've seen what happens when people who aren't interested in the facts, who believe what they want to believe, sit in the White House. Osama bin Laden is still at large, Iraq is a mess, New Orleans is a wreck. And, of course, we've done nothing about global warming.

    But can the sort of person who would act on global warming get elected? Are we — by which I mean both the public and the press — ready for political leaders who don't pander, who are willing to talk about complicated issues and call for responsible policies? That's a test of national character. I wonder whether we'll pass.
     
  9. IsrAmeriPrius

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(EricGo @ May 26 2006, 03:46 PM) [snapback]261511[/snapback]</div>
    Plus, take a look at the CEI profile on the Media Transparency website. It lists the sources of their funding.

    CEI is described as:
     
  10. ghostofjk

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(larkinmj @ May 26 2006, 06:59 PM) [snapback]261586[/snapback]</div>
    Thanks for posting it, Michael.

    Now that Gore has sparked revived interest in himself, and inevitably has many people com-
    paring in their minds in what ways the last five-and-a-half years might have been different with respect to what Bush has done, I think I'll put up a little poll about the Election of 2000. Then another one on Gore, Hillary, Kerry and Edwards a bit later.
     
  11. hyo silver

    hyo silver Awaaaaay

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    Maybe somebody else should take out a different ad.

    "There's no such thing as junk science. There's junk, and there's science. 98% of the world's climate scientists say global warming is happening. The 2% who say it isn't are being paid by the oil companies. What do you believe: the junk, or the science?"
     
  12. daniel

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hyo silver @ May 26 2006, 10:42 PM) [snapback]261666[/snapback]</div>
    Excellent ad. Now all you need is a few tens or hundreds of millions of dollars to run it nationally so the Archie Bunkers who get all their "news" from TV will see it.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(EricGo @ May 26 2006, 06:46 PM) [snapback]261511[/snapback]</div>


    Republicans. Using Nixon's tactics of making sure that they run against someone they have a chance to beat.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hyo silver @ May 27 2006, 01:42 AM) [snapback]261666[/snapback]</div>
    I LIKE it.
     
  15. IsrAmeriPrius

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    An Op-Ed piece from the Los Angeles Times: