How climate change denialism works

[Alric]

In the spirit of informationisbeautiful.net and only partly tongue-in-cheek.







Some graphic design Going on a Bear Hunt

[mojo]

First of all ,global warming is a fact ,anthropogenic global warming is a fact as well but it may be insignificant.

Theres an equal amount of denial coming from the alarmists.
If you really dont want to consider any facts that go against your worldview,that would be in denial.

Society holds scientists with utmost esteem.
If the warmers were a religious cult,scientists would be the priests.
How does it effect scientific opinion when you throw $2 billion a year at research for 20 years?
Scientists who want jobs are going to brown nose their results.
If they find there is no cause for concern then the $2 billion dries up.

Scientists are not infallible.
Consider the scientific opinion on menopausal Hormone Replacement Therapy.
The entire scientific community was wrong for about 7 years until someone finally realized that the study they based their opinion on was flawed.

[Alric]

In every instance where a scientific conclusion has been found to be insuficient or in error it has been more research by other scientists that have changed the consensus.

If you want to be a skeptic you have to base your argument on data and publications not on stolen emails or blog opinion.

[mojo]

I base my skepticism from ice core data showing that warming is a NATURALLY occurring event and has never been caused by CO2.

[Alric]

Originally Posted by mojo

I base my skepticism from ice core data showing that warming is a NATURALLY occurring event and has never been caused by CO2.

I've never understood that position. You are saying that because there are natural cycles in warming and cooling it excludes the possibility of man-made ones?

This is a logical fallacy.

[mojo]

Your (Al Gores) argument is that if we dont control AGW ,then the glaciers will melt,the oceans will rise, and weather will become erratic.
But without any AGW ,for the past 2 million years, the glaciers have melted, the oceans risen, and weather became erratic.
Its a natural process that resolves itself with the onset of the next glacial period.
It cant be stopped nor should it be stopped.
And Global Warming has never been caused by CO2.
Global warming causes a rise in CO2.

Originally Posted by Alric

I've never understood that position. You are saying that because there are natural cycles in warming and cooling it excludes the possibility of man-made ones?

This is a logical fallacy.

[Alric]

This is a false equivalency. For better part of the past couple of million years there have not been humans. Yes, climate has change over geologic time but never like this in historical times and certainly never before caused by us.

[MSantos]

Since this is a related discussion...

How about this one?

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Then again, anything sourced from the mainstream academia is likely to be dismissed by the same crowd anyway.

Cheers;

MSantos

[mojo]

The point Im making is about the future .
If the future repeats the past 2 million years,
Global warming will naturally melt glaciers and oceans will rise.
With man or without man.AGW or no AGW.
We dont need to pay Goldman Sachs to prevent something that cant be stopped.
Its like primitive people sacrificing virgins so that the Sun will come back after an eclipse.
You are wrong about the history of climate BTW,
AGW is insignificant compared to natural cycles.

Originally Posted by Alric

This is a false equivalency. For better part of the past couple of million years there have not been humans. Yes, climate has change over geologic time but never like this in historical times and certainly never before caused by us.

[Alric]

Another way that geologic climate change is different from anthropogenic climate change is the rate of change. Climate change due to orbital changes over geologic time occurs over hundreds of thousands of years. What we are currently observing is occuring over decades.