New Prius-sized Honda Hybrid to be revealed at Paris Auto Show

**Danny** · 02-21-2008, 10:44 AM

"Honda is planning to launch a new hybrid model at the Paris Auto Show this fall, but the much-rumored sports hybrid shown to us in the form of the CR-Z concept is still some way off.

The new model, due to go on sale in 2009, will be a small family-sized vehicle, intended to rival the Toyota Prius.

It will be a stand-alone model (no traditional ICE counter-part), seating four or five people, and although Honda has not confirmed details of its body structure as yet, it's expected to be a five-door hatchback or compact sedan."

New Prius-sized Honda Hybrid to be revealed at Paris Auto Show - HybridChat

Proco · 02-21-2008, 10:52 AM

Unless they're going to be introducing an EV mode in the new hybrid, I don't see it making a huge splash. Toyota & GM are both pursuing plug-ins with extended EV range for the 2009/2010 timeframe.

**TonyPSchaefer** · 02-21-2008, 10:56 AM

I'm sorry but we discourage cross-posting links that point to other forums.
You're going to have to take it up with the forum Admin.

(just kidding, of course.)

We knew Honda was working on a Prius-rival Insight replacement. I"m anxious to see what they've come up with.

**Tideland Prius** · 02-21-2008, 12:29 PM

Interesting. Price would be a major factor.

Black2006 · 02-21-2008, 12:50 PM

It looks like it will be in Europe first, and at about 25-28K Euros:

Production Honda CR-Z hybrid coupe to hit Europe first - Autoblog

MSantos · 02-21-2008, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

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The new model, due to go on sale in 2009, will be a small family-sized vehicle, intended to rival the Toyota Prius.
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This is truly very hilarious.

The "small family hybrid" is to be EPA sized below the current Civic as a sub-compact and also in price.
I find it very interesting that they would offer a comparative opportunity with the Prius in light of this. One of the few things they got right in their blurb is that the IMA system will be a close derivative of what's currently implemented on the Gen 2 HCH. But that is all.

Cheers;

MSantos

richard schumacher · 05-21-2008, 05:46 PM

I wish Honda well, but Toyota, Ford, and Nissan hybrids have a large advantage in the power-split device. It beats conventional transmissions for efficiency, performance and reliability.

Jack66 · 05-21-2008, 05:59 PM

One seemingly smart move is to introduce a hybrid model without an ICE equivalent. The latest news is is showing that the hybrid version of cars with an ICE equivalent are generally not doing well. Most of the examples were priced much higher than their ICE borthers and most are not willing to pay the difference in this economy. Vehicles like the Prius don't have to have their price compared to a less greener and cheaper version of itself.

MSantos · 05-21-2008, 09:56 PM

Makes sense... but while still dwarfed by the Prius, the Camry is doing very well as demonstrated by the latest monthly North American sales. Also, Honda is reportedly selling every single HCH they make and there are still the ever chronic waiting lists being reported.
If I recall correctly, the growth for either model has been in the 50+% mark over last year's figures and their sales volume seems to be hampered primarily by production capacity.

Cheers;

MSantos

PriusSport · 05-21-2008, 10:08 PM

Fact is, Toyota whupped Honda with the Prius. They have captured the hybrid market with a state of the art product. Honda merely modified the Civic with an electric-assist. Prius will be tough to beat unless Honda gets better or cheaper. Though there's still plenty of innovation ahead for electrics. Plenty of market out there for everybody.

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Proco Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The Beautiful NJ Shore Posts: 1,713 My Car: 2006 Prius Package: #5 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 4	Re: New Prius-sized Honda Hybrid to be revealed at Paris Auto Show Unless they're going to be introducing an EV mode in the new hybrid, I don't see it making a huge splash. Toyota & GM are both pursuing plug-ins with extended EV range for the 2009/2010 timeframe.

02-21-2008, 10:56 AM	#3
TonyPSchaefer Ruler of Omicron Persei 8 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Far-North Chicagoland Posts: 7,408 My Car: 2004 Prius Package: #9 Nominated 3 Times in 2 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 11	Re: New Prius-sized Honda Hybrid to be revealed at Paris Auto Show I'm sorry but we discourage cross-posting links that point to other forums. You're going to have to take it up with the forum Admin. (just kidding, of course.) We knew Honda was working on a Prius-rival Insight replacement. I"m anxious to see what they've come up with.

02-21-2008, 12:29 PM	#4
Tideland Prius Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 13,239 My Car: 2005 Prius Package: B Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 6	Re: New Prius-sized Honda Hybrid to be revealed at Paris Auto Show Interesting. Price would be a major factor.

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Black2006 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 147 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	Re: New Prius-sized Honda Hybrid to be revealed at Paris Auto Show It looks like it will be in Europe first, and at about 25-28K Euros: Production Honda CR-Z hybrid coupe to hit Europe first - Autoblog Last edited by Black2006; 02-21-2008 at 12:52 PM.

05-21-2008, 05:46 PM	#7
richard schumacher member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: United States Posts: 3,674 My Car: 2004 Prius Package: #6 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	Re: New Prius-sized Honda Hybrid to be revealed at Paris Auto Show I wish Honda well, but Toyota, Ford, and Nissan hybrids have a large advantage in the power-split device. It beats conventional transmissions for efficiency, performance and reliability.

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Jack66 Kinda Jovial Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Stafford, Virginia Posts: 635 My Car: 2008 Prius Package: #2 Nominated 6 Times in 2 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 1	Re: New Prius-sized Honda Hybrid to be revealed at Paris Auto Show One seemingly smart move is to introduce a hybrid model without an ICE equivalent. The latest news is is showing that the hybrid version of cars with an ICE equivalent are generally not doing well. Most of the examples were priced much higher than their ICE borthers and most are not willing to pay the difference in this economy. Vehicles like the Prius don't have to have their price compared to a less greener and cheaper version of itself.

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MSantos Skeptical Accelerometrist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Canada, Winnipeg Posts: 194 My Car: 2007 Prius Package: Base Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	Re: New Prius-sized Honda Hybrid to be revealed at Paris Auto Show Makes sense... but while still dwarfed by the Prius, the Camry is doing very well as demonstrated by the latest monthly North American sales. Also, Honda is reportedly selling every single HCH they make and there are still the ever chronic waiting lists being reported. If I recall correctly, the growth for either model has been in the 50+% mark over last year's figures and their sales volume seems to be hampered primarily by production capacity. Cheers; MSantos

05-21-2008, 10:08 PM	#10
PriusSport Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: SE PA Posts: 434 My Car: 2008 Prius Package: #2 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	Re: New Prius-sized Honda Hybrid to be revealed at Paris Auto Show Fact is, Toyota whupped Honda with the Prius. They have captured the hybrid market with a state of the art product. Honda merely modified the Civic with an electric-assist. Prius will be tough to beat unless Honda gets better or cheaper. Though there's still plenty of innovation ahead for electrics. Plenty of market out there for everybody.