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| Silver Pine Mica Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Rockville, MD
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My Car: 2008 Prius Package: #6 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0 | I'm posting this in the Main Forum (vs. Technical) as I thought this would be of general interest to Prius Owners. I was also surprised to find so few threads about the Atkinson cycle in the Prius Chat Forum (most are 2 or more years old now). For those who don't know, the Prius uses an Atkinson Cycle combustion engine, combined with the electric motor, to provide power. The Atkinson cycle is much different from the typical Otto Cycle that is found in most internal combustion engine (ICE) cars today. The advantage of the Atkinson cycle is that it is much more efficient than the Otto cycle. The disadvangtage is that it has less power (especially when moving the car from a dead stop). However, combined with the hybrid system, the electric motors provide the necessary power to get the car moving before the ICE is needed. If you want to learn more about the Otto vs. the Atkinson cycles, read the following two articles at Wikipedia: Four-stroke engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Atkinson cycle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Last edited by Rockville1; 02-28-2008 at 09:55 AM. |
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| Silver Pine Mica Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Rockville, MD
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My Car: 2008 Prius Package: #6 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0 | Cool site Stathead! Thanks. Current Cars that use the Atkinson Cycle: Toyota Prius hybrid electric (front-wheel drive) with a (purely geometric) compression ratio of 13.0:1 Ford Escape/Mercury Mariner/Mazda Tribute hybrid electric (front- and four-wheel drive) with a compression ratio of 12.4:1 Toyota Camry Hybrid hybrid electric (front-wheel drive) with a compression ratio of 12.5:1 Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid hybrid electric (four-wheel drive) with a compression ratio of 10.8:1 Notice that the Lexus hybrids do not use the Atkinson Cycle engines as Lexus has opted to use the hybrid system to boost performance (when combined with an Otto Cycle engine) rather than maximize efficiency (although their hybrid vehicles are still more efficient than the non-hybrid counterparts, e.g., Lexus RX400h vs RX350). Last edited by Rockville1; 02-28-2008 at 11:26 AM. |
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My Car: 2007 Prius Package: B Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0 | I do have to disagree with the statement that the Atkinson cycle is "much different" from the Otto cycle. It's only slightly different. All you do is construct the engine with a long stroke. To avoid the high compression this would normally give you (and which is undesirable if you want to burn low octane rated fuel), you hold the intake valves open during the start of the compression stroke. The result is a long power stroke, allowing more energy to be extracted from the expanding gases, without the high compression complications seen in high power engines and diesels. I'm told efficiency gains are an extra 5-10%, which is quite a bit when you are starting from about 25-30%. The downside is a loss of about 30% of the power output. BTW, this was done many years ago (probably unintentionally) in the old GM 6 cylinder engine, though most of the low compression was gained there with an inefficient intake path and largish combustion chamber (and therefore high pollution generation).
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| Silver Pine Mica Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Rockville, MD
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My Car: 2008 Prius Package: #6 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0 | Quote:
What's most interesting is that this efficient design was never able to succeed commercially due to the low power output until electric motors were able to merge successfully with the internal combustion engine. | |
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My Car: 2006 Prius Package: #7 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 4 | Quote:
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My Car: 2006 Prius Package: #6 Touring Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0 | Please explain how an engine can be more efficient and less powerful at the same time. Does it have something to do with the amount of twisting force (torque) the engine can provide? |
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| Grumpy, Cranky Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Fullerton CA
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My Car: 2007 Prius Package: #6 Touring Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 3 | Quote:
Efficiency = work out / fuel consumed Power = work out / time So, if you had an engine that puts out only 1/2 the power, but uses 1/3 the fuel, then the engine would be MORE efficient but LESS powerful. | |
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| Silver Pine Mica Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Rockville, MD
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My Car: 2008 Prius Package: #6 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0 | Quote:
See link below for more technical description: Atkinson Cycle@Everything2.com | |
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My Car: 2004 Prius Package: #9 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0 | It's a thread revisited. About 1, or 2 years ago the topic was gone over ... in fact even more recently. Got a little controversial, as I remember, in at lease one of the dozen or so threads. Last edited by hill; 02-28-2008 at 02:24 PM. |
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