Has anyone installed the enginer PHEV?

[alevinemi]

Has anyone installed the enginer.us PHEV modification? The price is reasonable, and they are located near where I used to live (Troy, MI).

It seems to be a small lithium pack (only the size of the compartment between the trunk bottom and spare tire well). Considering the price they quote and what they offer, I am suspicious (way cheap compared to competitors - may be too good to be true).

If so, let me know your experience. I was considering driving by next time I was near Detroit.

Innovative Engine Engineers

-->Adam

[hill]

Originally Posted by alevinemi

Has anyone installed the enginer.us PHEV modification? The price is reasonable, and they are located near where I used to live (Troy, MI).

It seems to be a small lithium pack (only the size of the compartment between the trunk bottom and spare tire well). Considering the price they quote and what they offer, I am suspicious (way cheap compared to competitors - may be too good to be true).

If so, let me know your experience. I was considering driving by next time I was near Detroit.

Innovative Engine Engineers

-->Adam

Sounds good, however if you check the Seller's ebay Feedback ... it looks like he's only sold ONE ... other than the one they're currently trying to sell. And the one they sold?

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...tems=25&page=1

It says, "feedback revised" to a "neutral" rating. IOW, the seller got Neg'd and the bad feedback likely prompted the seller to accept the item back, so the buyer would upgrade the feedback.

[alevinemi]

Actually, I looked at the feedback as well. As far as I can tell, they haven't sold any of them. The neutral feedback was for a single $250.00 battery pack - not a $2000 PHEV conversion.

Other battery packs were sold with positive feedback, so I'm willing to forgive one neutral. Plus, if I buy one, I won't pay shipping (I'd pick-up). However, they really should test the battery before shipping...

They are obviously new to the game. Given the location (Troy, MI), they are probably laid off automotive engineers. They are obviously weak on marketing skills - the website is very weak, and it's only sold through ebay. However, they may have a good product.

I have asked some questions, and hope to give more details later.

-->Adam

[kiettyyyy]

I've been in contact with Jack from Automotive Tech..

The system kinda sounds legit(not sure).. at least from the engineering standpoint.

The system utilizes a 48V battery pack(12V (3.2x4) Thundersky 40AH batteries) that are connected to a DC/DC converter and controller. The controller monitors if there's any current going in or out of the traction pack. In the case that there is no current entering or leaving the pack, the plugin pack will push current into the traction battery pack. When current leaves the battery pack, the DC/DC converter will push current into the HEV system to "help out the traction battery".

I thought the Prius was supposed to use more power from the battery if the SOC is raised or tricked. That's how the Hymotion and Plug-in Supply kits work. This is clearly different.

I'll be testing the kit in mid-June in Southern California Summer conditions.

I'll let you guys know how it works out.

I've posted a few things about the Plug-in Supply kit that I currently own in the PHEV forum.. I'm just testing out different options

[alevinemi]

Good info - Thanks for checking it out!

Sounds like it might be dangerous though from a warranty/traction battery life standpoint.

From what you are describing, if you 'stealth glide' and no power is going in/out of the traction battery, the Enginer pack will charge it. If you glide a lot, this could get you into a situation that your main battery gets overcharged or highly charged a lot, a situation which the Prius normally prevents to preserve battery life. I would hope they have a mechanism to prevent going over 90% charge or so.

That would likely shorten traction battery life and invalidate your battery warranty (it could cause a failure that was directly caused by an aftermarket addon. Magnuson-Moss ain't protecting you here.)

-->Adam

Originally Posted by kiettyyyy

I've been in contact with Jack from Automotive Tech..

The system kinda sounds legit(not sure).. at least from the engineering standpoint.

The system utilizes a 48V battery pack(12V (3.2x4) Thundersky 40AH batteries) that are connected to a DC/DC converter and controller. The controller monitors if there's any current going in or out of the traction pack. In the case that there is no current entering or leaving the pack, the plugin pack will push current into the traction battery pack. When current leaves the battery pack, the DC/DC converter will push current into the HEV system to "help out the traction battery".

I thought the Prius was supposed to use more power from the battery if the SOC is raised or tricked. That's how the Hymotion and Plug-in Supply kits work. This is clearly different.

I'll be testing the kit in mid-June in Southern California Summer conditions.

I'll let you guys know how it works out.

I've posted a few things about the Plug-in Supply kit that I currently own in the PHEV forum.. I'm just testing out different options

[Flying White Dutchman]

anyone notice the pack inside a 2004 + model and the pictures from the MFD are from the pre 2004 model gen1.

[Flying White Dutchman]

Originally Posted by alevinemi

Good info - Thanks for checking it out!

Sounds like it might be dangerous though from a warranty/traction battery life standpoint.

From what you are describing, if you 'stealth glide' and no power is going in/out of the traction battery, the Enginer pack will charge it. If you glide a lot, this could get you into a situation that your main battery gets overcharged or highly charged a lot, a situation which the Prius normally prevents to preserve battery life. I would hope they have a mechanism to prevent going over 90% charge or so.

That would likely shorten traction battery life and invalidate your battery warranty (it could cause a failure that was directly caused by an aftermarket addon. Magnuson-Moss ain't protecting you here.)

-->Adam

when you charge the pack the SOC wil rize..
if this gets to high the prius will lose some so no wurries there.

[kiettyyyy]

Originally Posted by alevinemi

Good info - Thanks for checking it out!

Sounds like it might be dangerous though from a warranty/traction battery life standpoint.

From what you are describing, if you 'stealth glide' and no power is going in/out of the traction battery, the Enginer pack will charge it. If you glide a lot, this could get you into a situation that your main battery gets overcharged or highly charged a lot, a situation which the Prius normally prevents to preserve battery life. I would hope they have a mechanism to prevent going over 90% charge or so.

That would likely shorten traction battery life and invalidate your battery warranty (it could cause a failure that was directly caused by an aftermarket addon. Magnuson-Moss ain't protecting you here.)

-->Adam

All PHEV packs basically work the same from my understanding... The Hymotion and Plug-in supply pack both attempt to sneak in power when the Prius isn't looking. That's how it works(I think).

I know the Hymotion and Plug-in supply pack both spoof the SOC charge to some where around 75-85%, the Enginer pack does not.

Can't wait to get a hold of the pack in a bit!!!

[Flying White Dutchman]

so you already have plugin supply kit and now your taking that out to so how this pack works?

[kiettyyyy]

Originally Posted by Flying White Dutchman

so you already have plugin supply kit and now your taking that out to so how this pack works?

Kinda sorta kinda

Honestly, looking at the engineering standpoint of this pack, it looks pretty legit; it looks really promising to me..

If no one buys my 2009 Prius with the PHEV installed(I'm selling it in the Private Sales part of PriusChat), I'll remove the Plug-in supply kit and replace it with the Enginer kit.

If someone does buy my 2009 Prius with the PHEV, i'll be purchasing a package 4 2010 prius . From the looks of it, the 2010 prius should also be able to support the Enginer pack.

The only reason why this pack actually works on all generations of the prius is due to the fact that these guys went around the Canbus system..

We shall see

I'll either be the first one to have a PHEV in a 2010 Prius or a PriusChat test subject for the Enginer PHEV pack.. I hope.