CAN-View Software Updates

Presto · 03-01-2006, 01:06 AM

The weird thing is that the validity of the report of no fuel flow seems to be corraborated by the reading of Hybrid Battery amperage showing electric consumption of around 5 amp when the ICE is running. It does seem that it's just using the electric motor to crank the ICE.

Another thing is when I was observing this phenomenon, I stuck my face in front of the exhaust and took a wiff. It just had a faint smell of fumes. Then when the the fuel flow starting showing some activity, steam/exhaust smoke blew out of the exhaust.

Frank Hudon · 03-01-2006, 01:47 AM

the 5 amp draw is more inline with the 12 volt DC-DC converter bringing the 12 volt battery back up to normal charge, if it's sat over night. Tomorrow drop it into gear and start to drive even it it's only 50 meters. You'll see it register fuel flow. I just don't drive her car that much so haven't watched but on the Classic when you first start it up and start to drive you get higher current draw that when it's warmed up. And the fuel flow is higher till the cat's get warmed up then it drops back and the current draw drops as well. Next time I get to use her car I'll watch for that as well.

Wildkow · 03-01-2006, 01:50 AM

Will a version ever be done for the 06?

Wildkow

Presto · 03-01-2006, 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by Frank Hudon@Feb 28 2006, 10:47 PM
the 5 amp draw is more inline with the 12 volt DC-DC converter bringing the 12 volt battery back up to normal charge, if it's sat over night. Tomorrow drop it into gear and start to drive even it it's only 50 meters. You'll see it register fuel flow. I just don't drive her car that much so haven't watched but on the Classic when you first start it up and start to drive you get higher current draw that when it's warmed up. And the fuel flow is higher till the cat's get warmed up then it drops back and the current draw drops as well. Next time I get to use her car I'll watch for that as well.

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I understand there's power consumption with the DC-DC converter, but I'm talking about the current on top of that. If the CAT is warm enough, and it does this, i can push the EV button and shut off the ICE and the current output will drop.

hdrygas · 03-01-2006, 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by Presto@Feb 28 2006, 10:06 PM
The weird thing is that the validity of the report of no fuel flow seems to be corraborated by the reading of Hybrid Battery amperage showing electric consumption of around 5 amp when the ICE is running. It does seem that it's just using the electric motor to crank the ICE.

Another thing is when I was observing this phenomenon, I stuck my face in front of the exhaust and took a wiff. It just had a faint smell of fumes. Then when the the fuel flow starting showing some activity, steam/exhaust smoke blew out of the exhaust.

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Sniffing tail pipes? Is that leagal in Canada? Better not try that in the US, George will send you off to a tropical island. Boy the leangths a Prius driver will go to figure out this car!! My hat is off to you. I wonder though if the power is not going to MG2? Something like that must be occuring when we are in glide mode ie no arrows on the MFD but the amps are - 4 to 8 or so above the stopped amp level.

eflier · 03-03-2006, 09:11 PM

OK, I've been busy. And I've been listening.

I have given in to demands (pleadings?,begging?) and added an OBD2 interface to CAN-view.
Whilst there is an awful lot broadcast on CAN, there are a few items that can only be got via OBD2, like inverter temps for example.

The version 3 when I've sent off the artwork yet again, will have the added circuitry neatly on the board, (as a $25 option)
For all existing CAN-view customers, I will make a tiny PCB with 5 wires coming from it that can be soldered onto existing version 1, 2 and 3 CAN-views. If enough people are interested I can probably offer that as a kit for $25 + whatever a small packet airmail costs. I'm looking at about a 2 week turnaround before I see the bare PCBs.

My own version with the added chip just glued on top as an interim measure. now does the following:
displays on both format and user text screens:
MG1 inverter temp
MG2 inverter temp
MG1 motor winding temp
MG2 motor winding temp
under-hood air intake temp.
An added screen lets you read and display trouble codes and also clear them.
I haven't had to eliminate existing graphs but I haven't room to add these new features as graphs.
By the time it ships I can probably find room for a couple more OBD2 items.

If everyone who is interested would email me and tell me if they intend to install themselves or want someone more 'local' to volunteer to do the mod, that would help.
(No names, but I have the strong feeling one or two of you should not be allowed out on the streets with a loaded soldering iron.....)
Norm

**efusco** · 03-03-2006, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by eflier@Mar 3 2006, 08:11 PM
OK, I've been busy. And I've been listening.

I have given in to demands (pleadings?,begging?) and added an OBD2 interface to CAN-view.
Whilst there is an awful lot broadcast on CAN, there are a few items that can only be got via OBD2, like inverter temps for example.

The version 3 when I've sent off the artwork yet again, will have the added circuitry neatly on the board, (as a $25 option)
For all existing CAN-view customers, I will make a tiny PCB with 5 wires coming from it that can be soldered onto existing version 1, 2 and 3 CAN-views. If enough people are interested I can probably offer that as a kit for $25 + whatever a small packet airmail costs. I'm looking at about a 2 week turnaround before I see the bare PCBs.

My own version with the added chip just glued on top as an interim measure. now does the following:
displays on both format and user text screens:
MG1 inverter temp
MG2 inverter temp
MG1 motor winding temp
MG2 motor winding temp
under-hood air intake temp.
An added screen lets you read and display trouble codes and also clear them.
I haven't had to eliminate existing graphs but I haven't room to add these new features as graphs.
By the time it ships I can probably find room for a couple more OBD2 items.

If everyone who is interested would email me and tell me if they intend to install themselves or want someone more 'local' to volunteer to do the mod, that would help.
(No names, but I have the strong feeling one or two of you should not be allowed out on the streets with a loaded soldering iron.....)
Norm

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I'm definately in! Not too sure about the soldering if it's really detailed stuff, but if not too difficult I think I could tackle it.

hdrygas · 03-03-2006, 09:53 PM

I am in. I purchased a 15 w soldering iron, to replace my ages old 25 w soldering iron. I think that Dave wants in.

Frank Hudon · 03-03-2006, 10:19 PM

Frank is a given as well.

**efusco** · 03-03-2006, 10:22 PM

Hey, you guys with ScanGage, what stuff on there do you use most that you'd want on the CAN-View upgrade? I'm still more than willing to lose a graph or two...or all three for the improved functionality...trip mileage seems particularly appealing.

03-01-2006, 01:06 AM	#41
Presto Has his homepage set to PC Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 1,160 My Car: 2005 Prius Package: B Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 3	The weird thing is that the validity of the report of no fuel flow seems to be corraborated by the reading of Hybrid Battery amperage showing electric consumption of around 5 amp when the ICE is running. It does seem that it's just using the electric motor to crank the ICE. Another thing is when I was observing this phenomenon, I stuck my face in front of the exhaust and took a wiff. It just had a faint smell of fumes. Then when the the fuel flow starting showing some activity, steam/exhaust smoke blew out of the exhaust. __________________ Daniel 2k5 Prius 'B' Package PriusPuter(nav/wifi/entertainment) E-Bay Motorized VGA Touchscreen Deluo USB GPS DLS A7 Ultimate 5-Channel Amp (4 x 60 W + 1 x 300W) Focal 165KP Component Speakers JL Audio 10W6v2 Subwoofer B-Quiet Sound Deadening (front doors, hatch, spare tire well) EV Button CAN-View V2 TRD Sportivo Shocks and Springs Tom's Strut Tower Brace Tom's Lower Suspension Brace Tom's Rear Brace

03-01-2006, 01:47 AM	#42
Frank Hudon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,144 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	the 5 amp draw is more inline with the 12 volt DC-DC converter bringing the 12 volt battery back up to normal charge, if it's sat over night. Tomorrow drop it into gear and start to drive even it it's only 50 meters. You'll see it register fuel flow. I just don't drive her car that much so haven't watched but on the Classic when you first start it up and start to drive you get higher current draw that when it's warmed up. And the fuel flow is higher till the cat's get warmed up then it drops back and the current draw drops as well. Next time I get to use her car I'll watch for that as well. __________________ You can quote me on this, People who drive vehicles that idle at a traffic light, are idiots. mine 2k3 avg. 5.36 for 46,915Km Best tank 4.4L per 100K 64.2 Imperial 53.4 U.S. gallon, MiniScanner, SilverStars, block heater, winter lips, in as of Oct 15, out on April 25. In again on Sept. 21st. her's 2k4 "B" avg. 6.01 for 42,317 Km Best tank 4.02L per 100K, CAN-view with OBD11 module and flashloader, SilverStars, 06 Chrome grill bar, Michelin HydroEdge, upper and lower grill blocker,upper out as of April 7, lower out on April 28. In again on Sept 21st.

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03-01-2006, 01:50 AM	#43
Wildkow Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,860 My Car: 2006 Prius Package: #8 Nominated 4 Times in 1 Post TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 11	Will a version ever be done for the 06? Wildkow

03-03-2006, 09:11 PM	#46
eflier Silver Business Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Fraser Valley BC Posts: 164 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	OK, I've been busy. And I've been listening. I have given in to demands (pleadings?,begging?) and added an OBD2 interface to CAN-view. Whilst there is an awful lot broadcast on CAN, there are a few items that can only be got via OBD2, like inverter temps for example. The version 3 when I've sent off the artwork yet again, will have the added circuitry neatly on the board, (as a $25 option) For all existing CAN-view customers, I will make a tiny PCB with 5 wires coming from it that can be soldered onto existing version 1, 2 and 3 CAN-views. If enough people are interested I can probably offer that as a kit for $25 + whatever a small packet airmail costs. I'm looking at about a 2 week turnaround before I see the bare PCBs. My own version with the added chip just glued on top as an interim measure. now does the following: displays on both format and user text screens: MG1 inverter temp MG2 inverter temp MG1 motor winding temp MG2 motor winding temp under-hood air intake temp. An added screen lets you read and display trouble codes and also clear them. I haven't had to eliminate existing graphs but I haven't room to add these new features as graphs. By the time it ships I can probably find room for a couple more OBD2 items. If everyone who is interested would email me and tell me if they intend to install themselves or want someone more 'local' to volunteer to do the mod, that would help. (No names, but I have the strong feeling one or two of you should not be allowed out on the streets with a loaded soldering iron.....) Norm

03-03-2006, 09:53 PM	#48
hdrygas Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Olympia Wa Posts: 3,650 My Car: 2004 Prius Package: #9 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	I am in. I purchased a 15 w soldering iron, to replace my ages old 25 w soldering iron. I think that Dave wants in.

03-03-2006, 10:19 PM	#49
Frank Hudon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,144 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	Frank is a given as well.

03-03-2006, 10:22 PM	#50
efusco Troll Slayer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nixa, MO Posts: 14,247 My Car: 2004 Prius Package: #9 Nominated 1 Time in 1 Post TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 24	Hey, you guys with ScanGage, what stuff on there do you use most that you'd want on the CAN-View upgrade? I'm still more than willing to lose a graph or two...or all three for the improved functionality...trip mileage seems particularly appealing.