Average lifetime of Prii?

[bgoodr]

Hi folks,

I'm a proud owner of a 2005 Prius, and a noob here at PriusChat (please be gentle ). The wife is down to visit the outlaws and the father outlaw claims that the Prii start petering out at 90kmiles on average. Yes, by golly, this same father outlaw owns a Hummer and also claims that his monstrosity would outlive a Prius. Of course, I don't believe that claim at all, but it has got my curiosity up. Do note that I'm happy with my unmodified Prius and the mileage it gets, but it would be nice to be prepared with some evidence to the contrary for my next conversation with the Hummer-ite. Has anyone seen any major problems at or after the "magical" 90,000 miles mark with the Prius?

Thanks in advance!
Brent

[cwerdna]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bgoodr @ Aug 11 2007, 11:57 PM) [snapback]494230[/snapback]</div>

The wife is down to visit the outlaws and the father outlaw claims that the Prii start petering out at 90kmiles on average. Yes, by golly, this same father outlaw owns a Hummer and also claims that his monstrosity would outlive a Prius. Of course, I don't believe that claim at all, but it has got my curiosity up. Do note that I'm happy with my unmodified Prius and the mileage it gets, but it would be nice to be prepared with some evidence to the contrary for my next conversation with the Hummer-ite. Has anyone seen any major problems at or after the "magical" 90,000 miles mark with the Prius?

Thanks in advance!
Brent
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Sounds like they got their info from the CNW BS/crap that claims Priuses last 109K miles and that Hummer H2 last 197K miles. You can find some of my debunking at http://priuschat.com/index.php?s=&show...st&p=487126.

Based on the reliability ratings I attached, http://autos.msn.com/advice/CRArt.as...tentid=4023544 and http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/rele...pdf/2007130.pdf (or http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/rele...spx?ID=2007130), those outlaws have little credibility in my book.

edit:fixed last URL

[catgic]

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[TonyPSchaefer]

Bgoodr, welcome to PriusChat!

Thanks, cwerdna, for those attachments and - most importantly - the links.

I have to agree with catgic, bgoodr. "If you can't prove it, you can't use it."
Have your father outlaw pony up some true hard facts backing his allegations. Otherwise, please feel free to disregard him.

Or you can take this approach:
"Whoever gets rid of their car first for any reason must pay $1,000 towards the eventual purchase of the other person's next car."
I believe that he will eventually have to decide whether winning the bet is worth the fuel costs. Perhaps next year. But if Mr. Hummer truly believes in his vehicle, he should jump at it in a minute. Heck, it's free money!

[KD6HDX]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bgoodr @ Aug 11 2007, 11:57 PM) [snapback]494230[/snapback]</div>

Hi folks,
Thanks in advance!
Brent
[/b]

Remind him if he forgot, that the H2 and H3 are just Chevy pickups (SUV's) underneath. I will look for some links to back this up, but I have heard several people say this. As for Chevy trucks, they're built tough, and I would buy a chevy truck before I bought a Hummer. But I would not pay a premium just to drive a Chevy drivetrain with a makeover.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=107776
The HUMMER H3 which shares its chassis with the Colorado and Canyon.....

http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com...3-hummer-h2.htm

The H2 gets its 6.0-liter V8, 4-speed automatic transmission, and major chassis components from GM's full-size SUVs.....

[JimN]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bgoodr @ Aug 12 2007, 02:57 AM) [snapback]494230[/snapback]</div>

Hi folks,

I'm a proud owner of a 2005 Prius, and a noob here at PriusChat (please be gentle ). The wife is down to visit the outlaws and the father outlaw claims that the Prii start petering out at 90kmiles on average. Yes, by golly, this same father outlaw owns a Hummer and also claims that his monstrosity would outlive a Prius. Of course, I don't believe that claim at all, but it has got my curiosity up. Do note that I'm happy with my unmodified Prius and the mileage it gets, but it would be nice to be prepared with some evidence to the contrary for my next conversation with the Hummer-ite. Has anyone seen any major problems at or after the "magical" 90,000 miles mark with the Prius?

Thanks in advance!
Brent
[/b]

Welcome to the site. Do a google search for Prius & taxi to find the reports of the Canadian taxi fleets with over 200,000 miles and no major problems. I like the suggestion of putting your money where your mouth is. Which Hummer does he own? Make the bet. First party to sell the vehicle loses. Void the wager in the event of a collision. You are betting on a sure thing. Don't argue or debate.

[bwilson4web]

Hi Brent,
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bgoodr @ Aug 12 2007, 01:57 AM) [snapback]494230[/snapback]</div>

. . . The wife is down to visit the outlaws and the father outlaw claims that the Prii start petering out at 90kmiles on average. . . . [/b]

Guess I'd just smile and change the subject. When your wife gets back, you might read this report and ask if her if it needs to be mailed to her Dad, is he really curious, . . . or just keep clocking up the miles:
http://avt.inl.gov/pdf/hev/end_of_life_test_1.pdf

All of the hybrids completed 160,000 miles. The study continues and the testing page with all of the reports are here:
http://avt.inl.gov/hev.shtml

If the old man decides to bring it up, smile and point out the gas engine is loafing at 70% load because of the electric motors and the batteries are computer controlled so they operate using just 40% of their load. It will wear out someday but this computer controlled car is giving the engine and batteries an easy, long life.

Bob Wilson

[rudiger]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(catgic @ Aug 12 2007, 04:33 AM) [snapback]494241[/snapback]</div>

How good is "Daddy" at 'rithmetik?[/b]

From the looks of things, probably not very. Besides the price of fuel, the cost of preventative maintenance should be included, as well. Those big 'ole tires that Hummers like wear out quickly and are substantially more expensive than the donuts Priuses roll on.

Just comparing the overall, general longevity of all Toyota products versus those made by GM would suggest that the Prius is going to last longer (likely substantially longer) than any Hummer, regardless of the complexity involved.

What will be truly interesting is the longevity of any comparable GM product (like the Volt, when and if it's ever produced) to the Prius. I would be seriously wary of purchasing any GM product (or any domestic product, for that matter) that was designed to operate at the level of complexity of the Prius. GM's track record on the longevity of regular ICE vehicles is rather abyssmal already, so more complex vehicles would lend themselves to being even worse. If the Prius had the little 'GM' badge on the side, I probably wouldn't have bought one for that reason alone.

In fact, GM's dropping of the EV1 electric vehicle before the Prius was released in the US may have actually been a blessing in disguise, considering the effect a problem-prone, production EV1 might have had on Prius sales.

[Michgal007]

Welcome to PC.

If I were you, I would just smile and be silent. He probably doesn't want to change his mind no matter what you say. Just be an example, and eventually he will realize he is wrong. It's better that way.

How many miles do you have in the Prius now?

[TonyPSchaefer]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Michgal007 @ Aug 12 2007, 11:28 AM) [snapback]494296[/snapback]</div>

Welcome to PC.

If I were you, I would just smile and be silent. He probably doesn't want to change his mind no matter what you say. Just be an example, and eventually he will realize he is wrong. It's better that way.

How many miles do you have in the Prius now? [/b]

I'm starting to think that MichGal has a good point. There have been many times I've been talking with coworkers and the general public where I have shown them news articles on fuel efficiency only to hve them say, "oh yeah, well I heard that you have to replace the battery in five years." So I produce evidence that the batteries are good for many hundreds of thousands of miles only to have them reply, "oh yeah, well I heard that you never earn your money back." To which I present charts and spreadsheets." They reply, "oh yeah, well I heard that a hummer is more environmentally friendly."

You get the point.
They throw <strike>up</strike> out some stupid "facts" that I quickly rebuff only to have them regurgitate another one. It's completely puts all the pressure on me to overturn their already skewed perception. Eventually, if they try hard enough, they'll find something that I can't defend adequately and declare victory.

Let's face it, the people who really should be reading the reports and learning the truth are not the ones reading and learning.