when you replace the battery

[mattpopp]

Originally Posted by john1701a

Undermining takes on a variety of forms.

In this case, this source seeks out & emphasizes rare circumstances and excludes follow-up information. That's very misleading... and unfortunately, quite intentional. The bias becomes obvious after you observe their behavior for awhile.

Look for sources that provide raw data instead, allowing you to draw your own conclusions... rather than being told what to think.

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When the data is not in your favor people become very defensive to what they thought was true.

I guess everyone of those people are liars. I guess the information that i find on the net is false but the information yall find on the net is true. I guess i should search it on CNN website then that would make you a believer.

[patsparks]

Originally Posted by smoke46

Those toy trucks are what haul the machinery to the fields to harvest your vegetarian diet. Thats not a full size truck. its a tractor trailer. Learn your classes in trucks. Full size= class C. Tractor trailer= class A driver lisense. Toy trucks are trucks with a half ton rating and below.

"y'all" might like to check out what I do for a living before "y'all" start telling me I don't know anything about trucks. In my world if a "truck" has a gross vehicle mass under 4.5 metric tonnes it isn't a truck, it's a toy.
Have another look at the picture, it isn't a single articulated vehicle (tractor trailer) but a B-double configuration with a gross mass of 62.50 tonnes unless it is in a registered concessional mass scheme in which case it has a gross combination mass limit of 68 tonnes. "Y'all" might care to be memberin' this here is an international forum where we don't all consider the USA as the centre of the world. Sorry I used some big words.

Now who said something about travelling the world? 3 times half way around the world and back, would that count? Of course I paid for my own travel and didn't have a weapon in my hand but I travelled all the same. Now I ain't bragging because in this forum I'm relatively untraveled. Have you checked how many members this forum has? It is huge. You're not in a group of straw chewin' yokels here, but a huge group of professional people, workers, farmers (some that chew straw) and a mass of knowledge you couldn't even begin to imagine. People in this group have occupations you didn't even know existed, many in the energy industry, unlike me, I work in the TRANSPORT industry. My mind boggles at the skills we have in this group. So maybe you can understand that although most will listen to (read) your rants, which are much the same as all the other trolls rants you can understand why a lot of them are bored with the same old dribble and brush you off.

I would suggest you go get an education, travel the world with a backpack and a map instead of a gun and a Humvee and learn. Spend some time befriending the locals in a far flung part of the world and get your head around the fact there are a lot of good people on this planet and they often don't agree with you or me.

I hope your not wasting time reading this to the end, I would have expected you to be on the phone organising a degree by now.

NO, you can't have a Prius, you DON'T deserve one!!

[patsparks]

Originally Posted by Jack66

I'm not a vegetarian yet but thanks for harvesting some of our grub.

Also, don't try to argue with our favorite Aussie -- he knows the different truck classes and his toilet swirls in the wrong direction.

Thanks Jack, you're a bloody card mate.

By the way, Aussie toilets don't mess about swirling, they are too busy getting rid of apprenticed trolls. This is true, our toilets flush with a rush.

I forget who it was has an Aussie Caroma water saver toilet set, they will I'm sure back me up on that.

[mattpopp]

Well I am sure that was partially directed at me. But just like you said. You have no idea who you are talking to. I have spent alot of time in Europe and in Africa. Never once have a carried a gun in any of the countries have i visited. Never been in the military. And as far as my career goes I am willing to bet you and many others have never heard or seen what I do that feeds my family. You would be surprised at some of the people you are tring to pick a fight with over a computer. Pretty funny as I am sure you are the type that is a friend to the face but the moment the back is turned, watch out! You should think about what you are saying.

The truck that you speak about, You will not find a double tanker in the States with that load rating in every day use here. Yall Aussies use bigger Trucks on a daily basis because yall have thousands of miles of nothing. and face it, the trucks that i(we) drive are a 3/4 or 1 ton rated truck is a truck or pickup or pickup truck. toy truck is not of a insult. but whatever helps you sleep at night then so be it, its a toy truck. You drive a micro death trap, its cool man.

A Prius is not a privilege. I am not sure what ever gave you that thought. A privilege would be seeing each and every one of you have this same conversation in person with me. That my friend would be a privilege.

[patsparks]

Originally Posted by mattpopp

Well I am sure that was partially directed at me. But just like you said. You have no idea who you are talking to. I have spent alot of time in Europe and in Africa. Never once have a carried a gun in any of the countries have i visited. Never been in the military. And as far as my career goes I am willing to bet you and many others have never heard or seen what I do that feeds my family. You would be surprised at some of the people you are tring to pick a fight with over a computer.

A Prius is not a privilege. I am not sure what ever gave you that thought. A privilege would be seeing each and every one of you have this same conversation in person with me. That my friend would be a privilege.

Did you forget you are the one who came looking for a fight? I'm not trolling, you are. I'm in my natural element. For you it's burning gas at an alarming rate at 80+mph on the freeway.

Why do I call these tiny trucks you refer to trucks, toys? If you carry farm produce to market in a 1 ton truck you need a bigger farm and less government subsidies. If you're towing a backhoe around with a toy truck you are overloading it, get a tipper so you can carry the dirt and waste away. Or are we talking a mini excavator? If you're one of the 10% of ute owners in the USA who actually use it for work, like plumbers and builders, all power to you.

I can tell from your posts you have no idea about oil reserves or the environment, I can also tell you know squat about the Prius so I have no idea why you came here to tell us all about it. One thing you don't seem to know is Prius has a 5 star safety rating.

What will happen to the millions of batteries? They will be recycled to retrieve the raw material to make new batteries. What will happen to the extra paint on your truck because the panels are big? What about all the plastic inside your truck, is it marked for easy recycling like the plastic parts of a Prius are? A lot of plastic inside them toy trucks.

One day you might have that privilege of meeting me face to face, I think we might not see eye to eye but that doesn't mean we wouldn't get on.

[Jack66]

Matt, try reading the posts on your own thread.

Also, good move to post information from Consumer Affairs -- you just proved yourself to be uneducated. Since you did so much research you probably noticed the date of the complaints? There is an entire thread on that very article -- spend a few minutes looking at it after reading the posts in your own thread.

And please remember that I am the kinda jovial PC member -- honestly, people on PC are open and honest about their cars as long as you are the same.

Cheers!

[jayman]

Originally Posted by mattpopp

What i smell is still a good ole fashion Diesel engine burning.

Gotta love the NOx and PM10

Originally Posted by mattpopp

I have read alot about these little cars. I have been very curious about them for a long time

So, stop by your local Toyota dealership and take one for a testdrive. If a big hairy guy like me can drive one, so can you

Originally Posted by mattpopp

A Jeep Cherokee Diesel gets 40 Mpg.

Bull

and

S***

They're not even rated for that in Canada. As a Public Service Announcement, I should also let you diesel fanboys in on a little "secret."

When you proudly describe the fuel economy of some EU market diesel car being "better" than a Prius, you are *not* comparing fuel economy properly. The reason is that fuel economy in the Rest Of The World is rated in litres per 100km, or l/100km.

In the EU, particularly in the UK, when l/100km is converted to MPG, it is *always* in Miles per IMPERIAL gallon

Imperial Gallon = 4.54 litres
US Gallon = 3.78 litres

Kind of funny how the diesel fanboys go on and on about how some tiny car like a UK Ford Fiesta diesel gets 62.5 MPG but the Prius "only" gets 45. In the UK, the much smaller diesel Fiesta and the Prius are rated within 1 MPG of each other by official UK government tests

Originally Posted by mattpopp

The big advantage i see in that is the safety of the passengers. I just have a hard time putting my family in the little car.

Others have provided data from NHTSA and others. The recorded crash rate, injury rate, and fatality rate are a matter of public domain, same as in the EU. Once you contrast the crash, injury, and fatality rate of American drivers to EU drivers, something becomes very apparent.

I strongly encourage you to use your freedom, rights, and knowledge to look up those public domain data sources. I'd hate to be accused of putting words into your mouth

[jayman]

Originally Posted by mattpopp

When the data is not in your favor people become very defensive to what they thought was true.

You believe everything an ambulance chasing lawyer tells you. Dig around that site, there is *plenty* of dirt about Dodge and Ford too

[jayman]

Originally Posted by mattpopp

An elec motor car will not haul a back-hoe.

How about those giant mining trucks that use electric drive? Last time I checked, a choo-choo also used a motor/generator setup. The diesel engine runs a generator, the generator "generates" electricity, the electricity powers the drive wheels of the locomotive.

Originally Posted by mattpopp

But if it was not for people like me that Drive toy trucks to haul toy equipment to sites to clear out Acres of beautiful land and trees so People like everyone of yall can have new apartments or new homes outside of the city. so you can have this "fake out of city life style".

Most of that was caused by Cheap Credit which allowed hillbillies, rednecks, and white trash to move out of their trailers and tarpaper shacks into nice homes. We're paying for that mistake

Originally Posted by mattpopp

We are not running out of Oil.

No s***, really? But we *are* running out of cheap oil. I have a B.Sc. in Chemical Engineering and provide a lot of consulting to the petrochemical industry.

Do you have any idea what the extraction cost per barrel of oil is? I'll clue you in. All that oil sitting on the shelf area of our East Coast and West Coast is so hard to get to, locked in such tight formations, that it breaks even when oil is $60-$120 a barrel.

Oil companies are sitting on huge numbers of coastal leases. Why? Extraction costs. Example, the Hibernia Field near the Grand Banks of Newfoundland. That field was so expensive the Canadian government set up a Crown Corporation called The Hibernia Management And Development Corporation to funnel TENS of BILLIONS of Canadian Taxpayer dollars into getting that field going

That field has been in operation almost 10 years and has already peaked out. Figure another 10 years before it's shut down. Even if the rest of the pumping history is at +$140 a barrel, overall the entire production of Hibernia will end up LOSING MONEY

Uh-oh, HMDC sounds like one of those Evil Socialist things. Wonder why the good 'ole Free Market Capitalist oil companies were not willing to front the massive cost? Oh right, +$60 a barrel extraction costs.

Tar sands and shale is another one. How do you extract oil from goey tar? Easy! You first pulverize it, "wash" it to get off the sand, dirt, trace heavy metals, naphthenic acids, etc. You end up with a toxic sludge that must sit in giant man-made lakes forever. Next, the resulting emulsion must be "retorted" in giant ovens

After retorting, it must be desalted and then distilled, like a regular refinery. I have a thread somewhere in this forum explaining in painful detail how an oil refinery works. Need somebody to design an oil refinery for you, I'm your guy

Originally Posted by mattpopp

Anyways about your Oil. Its just more Liberal Hype. Our Liberal Politicians want us to live under fear, it gives them more control and power over us.

So I guess that makes me part of "them." Geez, didn't know I had so much power. When my contract comes up for renewal, I'm asking for a private jet!

Originally Posted by mattpopp

you have traveled the world you will find out pretty quickly that its not the cars that we drive why so many others have a problem with us. But again those same people fail to realize we are the reason they dont speak another language.

I frequently travel to various EU countries, Singapore, and China on business. I guess that qualfies me for "getting around"

The reason the Rest Of The World has a problem with Americans is because a lot of them have this "my s*** doesn't stink but yours does" attitude. Keep in mind I'm a dual citizen, so don't play the Patriotism card with me, it doesn't work

[jayman]

Originally Posted by smoke46

we can choose what vehicles we want to drive. Not need.

I have no problem with that. Just don't piss and moan about what it costs to fill up the tank. Don't blame some evil socialist plot for the current price of a gallon of diesel or gas. The US most import 60-65% of its crude oil needs simply due to not having enough *reasonably priced* domestic alternatives.

The US is quite capable of meeting 100% of it's crude oil demand with domestic sources. Most of the domestic source is in very *tight* and deep geologic formations, and requires extensive extraction and processing. At $140 a barrel, those sources lose money.

Originally Posted by mattpopp

Though my choice of vehicle(s) are one that are able to sustain the economics of our country. I'm not a consumer as most are, I give back to this country without receiving any US subsidies. Not knowing where my grain or cattle go after I sell, I'm sure that it will be put to good use to help others.

A *farmer* doesn't receive subsidies?! I'll see that to believe it!

Originally Posted by mattpopp

Test them at the speeds the idiots that drive them on the interstate, 80. Then post the numbers. Bet they would'nt be good at all.

Sorry, the NHTSA disproves your claim. Look it up, it's a Free Country after all. Unless you believe your government purposely distorts statistics, like some evil commie country would

In a high speed crash, especially a rollover, kinetic energy comes into play. KE = 1/2 the mass, multiplied by the velocity SQUARED. A heavy vehicle has a lot more energy to deal with at higher speeds than a "light" Prius does

Contrast vehicle crash rates by vehicle class, including injury and fatality rates. Now compare similar stats from the EU, notice anything unusually different? The EU rates are a fraction of ours, due to having mostly smaller cars on the road.

Originally Posted by mattpopp

Thats your right, I think, its a free country. If you choose to not wear your seatbelt and die in a crash because of your ignorance, well thats your right.

I also believe it's my "right" to not have to pay for their new vehicle after the crash, to not pay for their hospital stay and a lifetime of rehab. Trouble is, I DO pay for it, and dearly. The problem with health insurance and car insurance, is that the rates are so high due to a handful of dumbasses

I say let them crash, but don't treat them. Let any unseatbelted dumbass just die right there in the grass of the median. A dead person is one hell of a lot cheaper to society than a person who survived with brain damage, a broken back, in a wheelchair pissing and s***ing into a bedpan the rest of their lives

Originally Posted by mattpopp

Just like when I fought for OUR country. We all have opinions, thats what is so great about this country but the truth is hard to find and to except sometimes.

Yeah, so what? I was 10 years in, honorably left as a CW2. I knew what I was getting into, I wasn't drafted. I don't expect people to kiss my butt just because I served in the armed forces

As far as the truth, you will discover there IS no "truth." No matter the extreme left, religious nuts, neoconservatives, media, whatever, it's ALL bulls***

It's kind of obvious from your postings that you tend to follow the neocon angle. More power to you, hope it works out