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Apple CEO Tim Cook to climate deniers: “Get out of this stock”

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  1. SageBrush

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    Greenpeace Statement On Patrick Moore

    Media release - October 10, 2008
    Patrick Moore often misrepresents himself in the media as an environmental “expert” or even an “environmentalist,” while offering anti-environmental opinions on a wide range of issues and taking a distinctly anti-environmental stance. He also exploits long-gone ties with Greenpeace to sell himself as a speaker and pro-corporate spokesperson, usually taking positions that Greenpeace opposes.
    While it is true that Patrick Moore was a member of Greenpeace in the 1970s, in 1986 he abruptly turned his back on the very issues he once passionately defended. He claims he "saw the light" but what Moore really saw was an opportunity for financial gain. Since then he has gone from defender of the planet to a paid representative of corporate polluters.
    Patrick Moore promotes such anti-environmental positions as clearcut logging, nuclear power, farmed salmon, PVC (vinyl) production, genetically engineered crops, and mining. Clients for his consulting services are a veritable Who's Who of companies that Greenpeace has exposed for environmental misdeeds, including Monsanto, Weyerhaeuser, and BHP Minerals.
    Moore's claims run from the exaggerated to the outrageous to the downright false, including that "clear-cutting is good for forests" and Three Mile Island was actually "a success story" because the radiation from the partially melted core was contained. That is akin to saying "my car crash was a success because I only cracked my skull and didn't die."
    By exploiting his former ties to Greenpeace, Moore portrays himself as a prodigal son who has seen the error of his ways. Unfortunately, the media - especially conservative media - give him a platform for his views, and often do so without mentioning the fact that he is a paid spokesperson for polluting companies.
    The following provides a brief overview of Patrick Moore's positions and his history of working for corporate polluters.
    TRUTH V. FICTION ON PATRICK MOORE:
    Patrick Moore claims he is an environmentalist and represents an independent scientific perspective on forest issues.
    TRUTH: Moore was paid by the British Columbia Forest Alliance, an industry-front group set up by the public relations firm Burson-Marsteller (the same PR firm that represented Exxon after the Valdez oil spill and Union Carbide after the Bhopal chemical disaster). The BC Forest Alliance is funded primarily by the logging industry. He also has ties to other corporations including Monsanto and Weyerhaeuser.
    According to Moore, logging is good for forests causing reforestation, not deforestation.
    TRUTH: Webster's Dictionary defines deforestation as "the action or process of clearing of forests." The argument advanced by forest industry spin-doctors that clear-cutting "causes reforestation, not deforestation" is without basis in fact. It is like arguing that having a heart attack improves your health because of the medical treatment you receive afterwards.
    According to Moore: "Forward-thinking environmentalists and scientists have made clear, technology has now progressed to the point where the activist fear mongering about the safety of nuclear energy bears no resemblance to reality."
    TRUTH:
    - The Nuclear Regulatory Commission's Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards (ACRS) concluded years ago that the lack of containment on Department of Energy (DOE) sponsored advanced nuclear reactor designs constituted a "major safety trade-off."
    - Patrick Moore has recently begun touting the "safety" of nuclear energy at the behest of the Nuclear Energy Institute (NEI), which is being bankrolled by the nuclear industry to promote nuclear energy as clean and safe energy. The public relations firm Hill & Knowlton has been hired to roll out a multi-million dollar campaign to repackage Moore's propaganda to convince congressional leaders of public support for the building of new nuclear plants.
    Hill and Knowlton are most well known for their public relations work defending the tobacco industry. The PR firm has also worked for industry interests to stall action to protect the ozone layer by executing "a carefully designed campaign attacking the science behind the ozone depletion and delaying government action for two years. This was enough time for DuPont to bring new, ozone-friendly chemicals to market." Austin American Statesman, Cox News Service Jeff Nesmith June 26, 2005 http://www.statesman.com/search/content/insight/stories/06/26doubt.html
    More information on Hill and Knowlton can be found at:
    Hill & Knowlton - SourceWatch
    Moore's recent call that the U.S. should generate 60 percent of U.S. electricity from nuclear power is ludicrous. These plants are acknowledged by the federal government's own National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States - commonly referred to as the 9/11 Commission - as terrorist targets. An accident or terrorist attack at a nuclear plant could result in thousands of near-term deaths from radiation exposure and hundreds of thousands of long-term deaths from cancer among individuals within only fifty miles of a nuclear plant.
    His proposal not only fails to address the risk posed to the American public by our existing plants, but also fails to address the urgent issue of global warming. According to Dr. Bill Keepin, a physicist and energy consultant in the U.S., "given business-as-usual growth in energy demand, it appears that even an infeasibly massive global nuclear power programme could not reduce future emissions of carbon dioxide. To displace coal alone would require the construction of a new nuclear plant every two or three days for nearly four decades…in the United States, each dollar invested in efficiency displaces nearly seven times more carbon than a dollar invested in new nuclear power."
    According to Moore, "Three Mile Island was actually a success story in that the radiation from the partially melted core was contained."
    TRUTH:
    The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission estimates that 10 million curies of radiation were released into the environment by the Three Mile Island Meltdown. Expert witnesses in the TMI law suits estimated that 150 million curies escaped, because the containment at Three Mile Island was not leak tight and the NRC ignored many of the potential escape routes for the radiation.
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    Ahhh, you're right! I just remembered he was following the MicroSoft-way but didn't remember the specifics.
    I was about to suggest Elon Musk but thought better of it. Zombie Steve Jobs would probably rise from grave.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    It is popular to suggest the two are similar, but I notice what sets them apart. EM is a risk taker because he dreams BIG; SJ was a risk taker because he dreamed DIFFERENT.
     
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    Well put. The Tesla and 'Space X', nothing original but good execution of old ideas. But Steve's mercurial imagination meant he often brought forth if not the first, often so unique that the 'honorable competition' got whip-lash trying to follow.

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    Yeah, no doubt EM knows how to GET STUFF DONE. Truly impressive, and for humanity perhaps more important than SJ type creative genius. Just not very exciting on an emotional level.
     
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    How Apple Went From Environmental Laggard To Leader - Forbes

    Let us also acknoledge that apple could be more transparent in how much the green tecnologies cost, I think you would find that apple is not really spending much more for energy than most computer and phone manufacturers, although heavy emphasis on chinese operations make them dirtier than they could be. That is my real problem with apple, not the energy, but the use of foxxcom and the suicide nets.

    I would reject any notion that al gore has anything to do with the green initiatives. The timing of his joining the board, his lack of promotion of the apple methods, make it look as if he had no or low impact.

    As for buffet, I do believe him when he says climate change has had negligable impact on his bottom line, and berkshire is majorly exposed through its insurance arm. Buffet isn't saying climate change is not happening, only that these weather related insurance losses are not really correlated. The federal flood and farm insurance though are under priced for property values and sea level rise, which is different than berkshire.
     
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    If insurers and reinsurers are as a category regarded as 'too big to fail' (my presumption) then they have some insulation against non-forward-looking policies. On the other hand they do seem to say 'oooh climate change' rather a lot. Maybe that's just casting about for higher premiums.
     
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    i'm here with my new 15" macbook. sweet machine compared to my past dell's. i guess you get what you pay for. thank you tim! and steve jobs of course.(y)
     
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    Humans breath in AIR and exhale CO2 (a "green-house" gas) , so (obviously), humans ARE the dastardly culprits (wink,wink)!
     
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    Tim Cook, Warren Buffett Buck Climate Change - TheStreet

    You can see in buffett's response both a catagorical mark against the grey liturature the IPCC used from german insurers (extreme weather losses are statistically different because of man made climate change), and points to the explanation that people are simply building more in harms way of natural weather. He will happily raise premiums based on that perception. Again in the US, the US government is the one providing insurance at a low cost despite of the weather. That needs to be corrected. NOAAs reports seem to support buffet's insurance profits, as opposed to the hand wringing you hear from trenberth and other blaiming much of the natural variation in weather on climate change as if huricanes didn't exist 100 years ago.

    Berkshire did not need a bailout, it was insurers that took financial risks not climate change risks that needed to be bailed out.

    We also see the real details from the cook response.



    Warren Buffett, Climate-Change Denier - WSJ.com