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Festival of the Unexceptional: ordinary old cars

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    I really liked this article, and I think it's a great idea.

    Classic cars: celebrating the unexceptional - Telegraph
    Most drivers have a pretty clear idea of what constitutes a classic car. Something with style, speed, groundbreaking engineering, quite possibly an exotic badge or racing pedigree. Something that stands out, even when surrounded by other mouthwatering cars on the lawn at Goodwood House during the annual Cartier Style et Luxe concours d’élégance during the Festival of Speed.

    But what about all those older cars that haven’t been caught up in the classic car boom, particularly those produced by volume manufacturers during the 1970s and ’80s?

    A new event next month aims to highlight the mainstream products that are an all too rare sight on our roads. While high-performance derivatives of cars have always had enduring appeal, the more prosaic “cooking” versions on which they were based are often in short supply – or have even become extinct. We still revere the 176mph Vauxhall Lotus Carlton from 1989, for instance, but when was the last time you saw a regular Carlton saloon?

    Billed as “a celebration of the best cars from an unexceptional era”, a new event called the Festival of the Unexceptional takes place on July 26. According to the organiser, the classic car insurer Hagerty, it will be the country’s first ever concours de l’ordinaire, a unique car show concept in the UK that showcases the best examples of some of the most mundane cars ever built.

    A concours de l'ordinaire sounds like an excellent thing. I've had several cars that would qualify. In fact, I even had the car at the top of the article, although mine was the Daewoo-branded version rather than the Vauxhall-branded one.

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    I have fond memories of cars my parents had that would never make it on to a classic car show, so something like this would really be fun.

    I do get a bit of a frisson when I see an old car that isn't something special (an E-type or an old Ferrari or something), because there are so few still around - I think Australian cars are sent to New Zealand to live out their final years. I saw a Renault 30 the other day in Canberra: I hadn't seen one in more than 20 years, and it was nice to see it, even though it is a terribly ordinary car.

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    Which cars don't you see any more that you'd love to see on the street or at a concours de l'ordinaire?
     
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    Oooh, lovely.

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    I always thought they looked kind of angry.

    My German teacher had either an STI or a GTI: he drove us to Manchester to watch a Brecht play once (there were only three people in class - it wasn't like he squeezed a class of 30 in there). It was incredibly comfortable.
     
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    I think this beauty deserves serious consideration. :D

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    lol I saw a Vauxhall Belmont for the first time in about a decade today. In was in surprisingly good nick too so must have been going to a show.

    But a car which deserves saving for posterity but have died away? Hmmm, anything from Austin? :) A Montego perhaps? I remember thinking the Maestro HLE with the digital dash was amazing when it was released in 1983, but I was young and foolish then.

    Austin Maestro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    A ground breaking car that has completely disappeared was the Peugeot 205 diesel. It was massively popular in its day and set the trend for diesel cars, but you just don't see them any more.

    Peugeot 205 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    I think "average" cars are like "average" movies or music. They simply aren't worth remembering. For example: Who remembers the B-grade movies that used to be shown after the A-grade movies? People remember Gone with the Wind but not the movie that was shown afterwards. Film preservationists and that's about it.

    Also I suspect few could name the song that landed at #105 on the Billboard chart last year (it was a #1 song in danceclubs, but zero radio play). The magazine lists the top 100 of each year for quick and easy reference, but anything below that is forgotten by the people.

    Same with cars. I remember my first car. It was ugly & drove terribly. My second car was notable for going 360,000 miles but otherwise was just a blue sedan (boring). My only car I would want back is my third car which was a 2-door coupe that looked sporty & sexy.

    We remember the outstanding movies and music and cars, but not the average ordinary ones.
     
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    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

    What you think is a great movie, others will think it rubbish. Same with music. Some good music never made the charts but should be worth keeping.

    It's nice to see 'average' cars from decades ago, if nothing else other than a warning :) (Morris Marina!)
     
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    Unless it was being driven by an old person in a hat. They keep their Belmonts clean.

    I see something that's kind of a Maestro and kind of a Montego whenever I go to China. I think China National Tobacco Company was responsible for them, bizarrely. They bought all the equipment to make the Maestro, but decided they didn't like the nose, so they put a Montego nose on it.

    Here you go.

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    Chinese abomination Frankenmontestro (CAC6430)

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    Peugeot diesels were great: my brother-in-law's just got rid of his diesel 306 after about 300,000 miles. He doesn't like his new Hyundai anything like as much.

    And the 205 was just a clever, well-thought-out car. It's a shame Peugeot has lost all sense of direction.
     
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    How? Of all the French manufacturers Peugeot is the best, though I appreciate that's not saying much.

    Their small diesels are still good, with the new 308 getting 91 mpg UK on the highway (equivalent) rating. It is also Euro 6 compliant, meaning the emissions are virtually the same as a petrol car for NOx and lower for soot. The emissions as at the level where it could probably be sold in the US if they wanted, which I doubt as I don't think Americans appreciate the idiosyncrasies of a French car :)

    Peugeot were also the first manufacturer in the World to release a diesel hybrid and they're quite good, just too expensive. And the soon to be released hybrid air looks an interesting concept;

    Ray Massey gets an exclusive drive in the Peugeot 2008 Hybrid Air | Mail Online
     
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    I think my sister's 207 put me off. It always looked nice on the back of an AA truck (a breakdown truck for our American friends).

    But I do like those PSA diesel hybrids. I think they're an excellent idea.
     
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    Did she have the petrol or the diesel? I think the diesels are ok but the petrols are just shocking for breaking down. You'll get electrical gremlins in all French cars, but that's to be expected and part of the ownership 'experience', and also why they'll never get sold in the US.
     
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    It was indeed a petrol. It was a terrible car. Although nothing will come close in rubbishness to Dad's Citroen BX. Apart from maybe Dad's Marina (the roof rusted through and fell off after six weeks).
     
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    Did the Americans see the original British version of Life on Mars? That was a fantastic source of ordinary cars, from Gene's Cortina to the Police Allegros.

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    Being in charge of sourcing the cars for that programme would have been a fantastic job.
     
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    But wasn't that a South African or Aussie spec Cortina? I thought the UK versions had a single large rectangular or round lense, not the twin as in your picture. The rectangular one looked modern in 1972, but crap in when the programme was shot. I do remember thinking the mark3 Cortina was cool when I was about 5, lol.

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    When a programme is shot with a view to being sold in the US, they do seem to aim the cars at what the viewers there would expect and not what was actually popular here. A good example would be the old Agro Police car. I think Heartbeat got that balance right but that was just sold to you guys wasn't it?

    But I guess a bit of artistic licence helps. I can't imagine the original series being too keen using the following UK Police cars from the early 1070's :)

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    But they weren't all crap. The Triumph 2.5 Police car was the business in 1972 as this 1970 example shows, but they're now long forgotten;

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    These 2 were my cars. The third was the smoke-blowing 2 cycle engine from Communist Germany. Are any of these "ordinary" cars worth remembering? They seem better dumped into the trashbin of history:

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    Didn't Gene Hunt have a red Audi Quattro he was always throwing around the corners?
     
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    It was the rare and coveted GXL luxury sports version. It was available in Britain, but it was only for the privileged few. I don't think you or I would have seen any, as the privileged few all lived in the South back then.

    That's a nice Cortina. But given my history, I'm more excited by the two Rover P4s behind it.
    We certainly got Heartbeat here. I'd have thought it would have appealed to a certain sector of the US market; I don't know whether they got it.

    We had all-aggro police cars in Lytham.

    That Escort was my Mum's first car.

    I remember when I was about 6, and there was a huge snowfall in January. We went to see Herbie Goes Bananas (or maybe another Herbie film) in the cinema. Afterwards, the car park was empty, and covered in snow, and Dad did doughnuts in Mum's Escort (his car was FWD; hers was RWD, so that was why he chose hers for this).

    And that Hillman Imp..... Same engine and drive layout as a 911. And ... umm..... Can you imagine the humiliation of being a policeman chasing baddies in one of those?

    Weirdly, there are three of these within a mile of my house. There are very few other old cars, but these are very popular. I have no idea why.
     
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    You owned a Trabbie? Wow, that would look cool driving around the US.
     
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    He did, in the second series called Ashes to Ashes, which I think is the one you got. The first series was Life on Mars.

    Always thought it an unusual choice of car as Audi wasn't really popular until much later in the 80's. I think a Ford Capri would still have been the car of choice in 1981, or perhaps a Ford XR2 or probably the Golf GTI.
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    I guess this is where they changed things to make it appeal to other markets, or dare I say it, the writers weren't around back then and assume that as Audi is popular now, it must have been in 1981?

    But the one Aussie car I'd love to see and you don't see over here at all is this beauty;

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    An Aussie Leyland P76. I'd love one of these. Rare, dreadful and RHD all in one.