1. Offline

    freedom45 New Member

    Member Since:
    Oct 27, 2010
    Posts:
    24
    Likes Received:
    5
    Location:
    Montreal, Quebec, Canada
    Your Vehicle Year:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    II
  2. Offline

    cashcorn New Member

    Member Since:
    Mar 30, 2011
    Posts:
    45
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    dana point
    Your Vehicle Year:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Sounds like Tesla Motors, S Model. Competiton is great!!
  3. Offline

    cyclopathic Senior Member

    Member Since:
    Apr 15, 2011
    Posts:
    1,497
    Likes Received:
    174
    Location:
    suburbia
    Your Vehicle Year:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    II
  4. Offline

    freedom45 New Member

    Member Since:
    Oct 27, 2010
    Posts:
    24
    Likes Received:
    5
    Location:
    Montreal, Quebec, Canada
    Your Vehicle Year:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    II
    Hi,

    I must desagree with you.

    Based on the information published, it seems that SCiB have higher effective capacity versus typical lithium-ion batteries (see below).

    I believe SCiB are really the future of EV. Quick charge, long life and much more...

    Mitsubishi had the largest EV trial here in Quebec/Canada last winter
    (50 EV's). People here were marvelled by the MiEV performance in extreme cold weater.

    Lets hope Mitsubishi Motors can properly execute and provide sufficient EV's to NorthAmercia... This could be a game changer !!! Lets hope..

    Dan

    *************************************************
    The SCiB also offers a higher effective capacity than a typical lithium-ion battery, in that more of the stored charge can be used safely before recharging the battery. This, combined with highly efficient regenerative charging during braking or coasting downhill, allows the SCiB to deliver 1.7 times the driving distance per level of charge of a typical lithium-ion battery. This will allow for installation of smaller battery modules in vehicles and contribute to lower EV prices. The SCiB also offers high level performance in a wide range of temperatures, and continues to support rapid charging and excellent power output at temperatures as low as -30ºC.



  5. Offline

    cyclopathic Senior Member

    Member Since:
    Apr 15, 2011
    Posts:
    1,497
    Likes Received:
    174
    Location:
    suburbia
    Your Vehicle Year:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    II
    what it boils down to is if the capacity is measured by weight or by volume. The NiMH are equal to LiIon by volume, yet ~x4 times inferior by weight.

    either way the achilles of EV is long charge time, so this is a welcome development.

    Sadly you won't be able to charge it in 10min from household outlet.. The biggest draw you typically have allowed is 240V by 30amp (equivalent of A/C circuit), 7.2kW/h. Or about 20-25mi of range per hour.
  6. Offline

    GSW PRIUS POWER

    Member Since:
    Jul 7, 2009
    Posts:
    539
    Likes Received:
    73
    Location:
    Jacksonville
    Your Vehicle Year:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    II
    Quote:"The SCiB battery is being manufactured in Toshiba’s Kashiwazaki facilities in Niigata Prefecture on the Japan Sea coast of north east Japan. A new factory dedicated to SCiB production has been built there and started operations in February this year." End Quote

    North east Japan along the coast was were the tsunami hit. I wonder if the new SCiB factory was damaged?
  7. Online

    drash Active Member

    Member Since:
    Jan 5, 2005
    Posts:
    555
    Likes Received:
    63
    Location:
    Upstate NY
    Your Vehicle Year:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    Yep, agreed. Maybe "real" charging stations can have more V since they are commercial. Then even the 10 minute charge to even 50% could be realized. This would likely kill 2 other technologies, LPG/LP and Fuel Cells, before they get a chance to get traction. Although I knew it wouldn't be long for Fuel Cells to die. And especially if tonyschaefer has anything to say about it.
  8. Offline

    JamesBurke Active Member

    Member Since:
    May 19, 2009
    Posts:
    759
    Likes Received:
    205
    Location:
    Morgantown, WV
    Your Vehicle Year:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
  9. Offline

    usbseawolf2000 HSD PhD

    Member Since:
    Sep 22, 2004
    Posts:
    12,621
    Likes Received:
    2,244
    Location:
    Queens, NY
    Your Vehicle Year:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
  10. Offline

    a_gray_prius Rare Non-Old-Blowhard Priuschat Member

    Member Since:
    Jun 13, 2008
    Posts:
    2,314
    Likes Received:
    376
    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    Your Vehicle Year:
    2008 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    I rode in a development iMIEV. It had a surprising amount of power at the low end - getting to 40mph was effortless for the thing (highest speed limit, it was a residential neighborhood, nearest highway was ~10mi away). Cornered OK, a but more body roll than I'd like.
  11. Offline

    mrbigh Prius Absolutum Dominium

    Member Since:
    Sep 6, 2005
    Posts:
    2,310
    Likes Received:
    344
    Location:
    N.Babylon, Long Island, NY
    Your Vehicle Year:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
  12. Offline

    hill High Fiber Member

    Member Since:
    Jun 23, 2005
    Posts:
    8,731
    Likes Received:
    1,169
    Location:
    South OC So Cal & the Flathead Valley, MT
    Your Vehicle Year:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    IV
    no worries Dan. There IS a sub forum especially set up for mitsubishi - just as there is for ALL of the "other cars". Sub forums is what keeps the Toyota PHEV section from getting too cluttered with "other cars". Anyway, the "other cars" subforum that's especially set up for mitsubishi is called, "other cars".

    ;)

    .
  13. Offline

    evnow Active Member

    Member Since:
    Apr 22, 2010
    Posts:
    815
    Likes Received:
    153
    Location:
    Seattle, WA
    Your Vehicle Year:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    That is just spin.

    Let us say SCiB is 100w/kg and uses 95% SOC. i.e. 95w/kg.

    LG is 150w/kg and uses 80% SOC i.e. 120w/kg.

    NMC will likely double the density in 3 to 5 years. Where will SCiB then ?

    One thing they didn't talk about in the above linked interview is price. That is where Altairnano suffers.

    I think at this time, SCiB is very good for hybrids, where the above statement might actually be correct. For EVs, SCiB (by their own admission) is not yet ready.
  14. Offline

    usbseawolf2000 HSD PhD

    Member Since:
    Sep 22, 2004
    Posts:
    12,621
    Likes Received:
    2,244
    Location:
    Queens, NY
    Your Vehicle Year:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    Consider the cycle also. SCiB can do 3,000 deep cycles. LG and Nissan battery packs needs to do about 50% SOC windows to get the most cycle and probably would never reach 3,000 cycles. If you use 80% SOC, the pack may last only 1,500 cycles. The cost advantage of LG and Nissan disappears in the long-term.

    The safe SOC window for SCiB also narrows much slower (see the comparison below). Throw in the cold weather performance and you have a very reliable battery that is worth the extra.

    [IMG]
    [IMG]

Share This Page