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October 2014 - Dashboard report

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by bwilson4web, Nov 4, 2014.

  1. bwilson4web

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    1 Toyota Prius Liftback 7326 7986 14724 12866
    2 Toyota Prius C 3192 3192 4389 3700
    3 Jetta Diesel 2721 2586 3988 3721
    4 Nissan Leaf 2589 2881 3186 3019
    5 Toyota Prius V 2514 2746 3506 2738
    6 Ford Fusion Hybrid 2164 1972 2943 2851
    7 Toyota Camry Hybrid 2161 1986 4320 4609
    8 Kia Optima Hybrid 1483 1003 1318 1155
    9 Passat Diesel 1449 1720 2767 2442
    10 Chevrolet Volt 1439 1394 2511 2020
    11 Avalon Hybrid 1330 1437 2049 1767
    12 Ford C-Max Hybrid 1318 1109 2451 2163
    13 Tesla Model S* 1300 1300 1200 1400
    14 ES Hybrid 1182 1128 1628 1358
    15 Sonata 1181 2134 1910 2800
    16 i3* 1159 1022 1025 363
    17 Lexus CT200h 1158 1078 2191 1979
    18 Accord Hybrid 1130 1095 1175 1362
    19 Golf Diesel 746 789 643 222
    20 RX 400 / 450 h 728 695 1090 914
    21 Lacrosse Hybrid 704 587 545 462
    22 Fusion Energi 686 640 1222 1226
    23 MKZ 662 645 758 638
    24 Ford C-Max Energi 644 677 1050 831
    25 XV Crosstrek Hybrid 617 571 747 746
    26 Q5 Diesel 506 452 508 454
    27 Toyota Prius Plug In 479 353 818 1371
    28 BMW X5 Diesel 450 496 459 244
    29 Chevrolet Cruze Diesel 426 430 732 595
    30 GLK Class Diesel 407 222 223 343
    31 Honda Civic Hybrid 395 360 503 409
    32 Q7 Diesel 377 269 346 349
    33 Touareg Diesel 352 353 383 318
    34 Highlander Hybrid 327 303 288 214
    35 GL-Class Diesel 304 344 402 261
    36 Q50 Hybrid 296 274 266 246
    37 3-Series Diesel 232 122 134 1705
    38 Honda Insight 222 240 290 291
    39 Honda CR-Z 205 248 342 356
    40 Ford Focus EV 186 176 264 198
    41 Pathfinder Hybrid* 166 160 237 221
    42 A6 Diesel 157 138 217 342
    43 ELR 152 111 196 188
    44 forTwo EV 150 182 208 298
    45 Grand Cherokee Diesel 150 129 187 152
    46 500E 140 137 166 119
    47 X3 Diesel 135 191 163 155
    48 E-Class Diesel 128 126 170 227
    49 QX60 Hybrid* 114 109 130 112
    50 Beetle Diesel 104 105 199 178
    51 Toyota RAV4 EV 97 125 228 68
    52 Volkswagen Jetta Hybrid 97 114 151 156
    53 Porsche Panamera S E-Hybrid 97 82 68 63
    54 5-Series Diesel 81 44 71 980
    55 A7 Diesel 80 64 82 95
    56 Honda Civic 61 33 46 67
    57 Cayenne Diesel 60 115 173 159
    58 Spark 58 51 80 128
    59 A8 Diesel 41 37 50 54
    60 Regal Hybrid 40 32 47 34
    61 ML Class Diesel 38 60 181 283
    62 ML Class Diesel 38 5 8
    63 Accord Plug In 34 42 46 41
    64 Impala Hybrid 32 35 63 43
    65 Audi Q5 Hybrid 24 19 31 22
    66 Fit EV 23 29 55 42
    67 Cayenne Hybrid 18 13 14 159
    68 i 17 15 20 17
    69 Malibu Hybrid 17 10 21 30
    70 ILX Hybrid 15 15 24 35
    71 E400H 5 12 7 5
    72 7-Series ActiveHybrid 4 6 3 1
    73 ActiveHybrid 5 (535ih) 3 3 4 4
    74 Cadillac Escalade Hybrid 3 1 6 2
    75 ActiveHybrid 3 (335ih) 2 23 9 11
    76 Lexus GS 450h 2 3 13 8
    77 S-Class Diesel 2 2 3 4
    78 GMC Yukon Hybrid 2 1 2
    79 LS 600h 2 4 6
    80 Volkswagen Touareg Hybrid 1 1 4 2
    81 Chevrolet Silverado Hybrid 1
    82 Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid 0 1 2
    83 ML450H 0 0
    Source: Jeff Cobb's Hybrid Market Dashboard | HybridCars.comHybridCars.com (well worth reading!)

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    nothing shocking i suppose. almost makes you feel like the economy is slowing. i wonder how gassers are doing? is it possible the c sold the exact same number as september?
     
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    Looking at the numbers:
    • Distinct break at 1,000 units
    • Wonder if Japanese hatchback sales are soft too?
    • Golf continues to under perform
    • We really need inventory numbers
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    just looked at gassers, having a pretty good year, so, it's probably gas prices.
     
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    ..heard on radio yesterday Toyota sold a ton of RAV4 and Highlanders last month, it was also banner SUV month for FORD and someone else I forget who

    I am wondering if used hybrid sales help get more total people in hybrids, despite the new sales drop.
     
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    Source: Jeff Cobb's Hybrid Market Dashboard | HybridCars.comHybridCars.com (well worth reading!)

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    • Ford Fusion and Toyota Camry are running neck and neck
    I saw my first Ford hybrid commercial Tuesday evening.

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    • 1st tier: Prius hatchback
    • 2nd tier: Prius C, Jetta, Leaf, Prius V, Ford Fusion, Camry
    • 3d tier: Optima, Passat, Volt, Avalon, C-Max, Tesla, ES, Sonata, i3, CT200h, Accord
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    Seeing the Ford Fusion and Camry running neck and neck, it makes sense:
    metric Ford Fusion Camry LE Camry XLE/SE
    1 EPA combined MPG 42 41 40
    2 user reports MPG 42.7(27) 38.6(3) 37.6(7)
    3 volume ft{3} 117 116 116
    4 price range $k $26.3-$32.6 $26.1-26.3 $27.7-28.6

    It looks like the Ford is a solid performer easily meeting the EPA numbers. It is price competitive and a little more interior room. Now if the Ford gas-version is competitive with Camry, we may see some interesting changes in the future.

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    Seems the hybrid poster-boy is losing altitude. And the PiP, what's up with that?

    there's an article on Hybridcars which asserts part of why Prius sales are so bad is because F series truck sales are so good. ... to which I say, then ....

    why are Corolla, Civic, Cruze, Camry, Accord, Fusion, Altima and more 2014 sales on up and up?

    IOW, what does a construction worker's need for a truck have to do with Prius sales? Um, nothing. Prius is, and ought to be competing with conventionals - Corolla, Civic, Focus, Elantra, etc... and to lesser extent Camry , Accord, etc...

    Top 30 Best-Selling Vehicles In America - October 2014 - GOOD CAR BAD CAR

    Prius /PiP are bounced well out of top 30 of all US vehicles. Lot of SUV, CUV and truck sales. Limited Camry Hybrid sales make sense as heavy refreshed 2015 arrived recently.

    Obviously gas prices are a big factor, but I think the overall 'unusual-ness' of Prius and it's underwhelming driving experience for the cost are wearing thin. Too many other hybrid alternatives for Prius liftback to stand out. It's a dated design in serious need of overhaul. IMO, it looks pretty bad inside by today's standards.

    Otherday a Toyota salesguy explains the Prius hard plastics everywhere inside are for weight savings. Fine. Keep doing that, Toyota, and suffer limited sales.

    The 6 1/2 year plan for redesign not good. I don't think there's a shortage.

    Hopefully this TNGA and 4th gen bring a big shot in the arm to Toyota hybrids. Darn long wait this time around, geeeez. Guess the tsunami slowed 'em down a lot.
     
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    37 MPG on Camry Hybrid? .... I just landed 48.2 MPG in rental 14.5 CamHy XLE at pump for a day's commuting and kickin' around. IMO, Toyota HSDs can easily beat their EPAs.
     
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    I wonder if the announcement of Toyota New Global Architecture (TNGA coming in 4th Prius) has a lot of hybrids fans holding off on Prius sales.
     
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    Hmmm, Lexus CT200h, a rare hybrid with increased 2014 YTD sales, up 20% in '14 over '13 ....

    classically styled, sporty-type interior with soft touch materials. Does it seem people want comfort and some level of desirability after-all?

    Heck, what do I know ....
     
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    Simple.

    It's a well documented aspect of human nature... we prefer extremes.

    Sad, but true.
     
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    There are tons of 'em around our So Cal area - VERY popular, despite its smaller size.
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    since gen II is '04 thru '09, it makes sense that gen III would also cover 6 model years. i still think gas prices have everything to do with it. people don't want to drive a prius, they have to be forced into it.
     
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