New PiP Owners...More data please!!!

I wonder how much the lack of ICE use will catch up with engine parts.

 

We call that MPG$

 

My first tank. I finally had to get gas!
EV 499 miles
HV 533 miles
Total 1033.1 miles
9.5 gallons
CONS 111MPG
117kwh
Fuel Saved by Charge: 9.7 gallons

 

If a PiP is in a situation where it can almost always be run in golf cart mode, I'm wondering how that might affect the ICE.

More of a general assumption - maybe not even valid - but it would seem as the use of EV increases, the use of ICE decreases.

So maybe in the worst cases (or best, depending on whether someone is looking at highest EV use) the ICE is hardly ever warming up to an operating temperature. So the carbon build up on pistons, petroleum grime build up on the injectors, etc. etc. accelerates at a faster pace than it might on a car that is ICE only. Over time, I'm not sure there's much data on how this might affect a hybrid's ICE.

 

drove my pip home from the dealer today. 12+ miles, all ev. let it cool down and recharged it for the big test. would i be able to make my commute in all ev? the cool thing was, the range started at 13.3 but as i was driving, the odo was going up more than the range was going down. when i got to work, the range was 7.9 and the odo was 7.6. it's a total elevation drop of 90'. when i got home, the odo was at 14.7 and the range was still at .4 miles. this answers the question i have had since the first test mules came out. can i make my commute on all ev? i love this car. feeling the same exitement i had when i got my first pri in 04!

 

I got lost here. How does 50 electric miles match 1 gallon. If gas has approximately the energy (discounting anywhere between 6kWh to 12kWh) of 36kWh of electricity ... then even at 3 miles per kWh (for example) ... you'd get over 100 miles down the road. If you equate 50 electric miles with 1 gallon, you're valuing your EV range at only 1.3 miles per kWh. Or, maybe i'm missing something.

 

I haven't really needed any gas since taking delivery of my PiP 2 weeks ago, but I had a long drive for work today, so we topped off the tank for the first time and calculated 85.75 mpg, which I think is FREAKIN' AWESOME for the very first time! YAY!

 

You are right, the really significant point is getting over 1000 miles a tank and that should be the selling point of the PIP. The math is interesting, but too complicated and still not covering every factor, ie: Kwhrs reproduced by regeneration.

 

Congrats Bisco. :cheer2:

 

Think "gallons saved".

Then say "Oh, yeah. Duh."

 

188 miles, all in HV mode, almost all highway, inside stuffed with cargo, 2 bikes on back.... 46 MPG.
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True, but bear in mind that some people only care about half the story. I think part of the reason we will continue to struggle with how to compare mileage/efficiency in plugin vehicles is that there are so many different things to compare. And given that everyone that buys one has their own unique reasons, there isn't really any such thing as the right way.

For someone that primarily cares about reducing consumption of petroleum, either from a resource conservation or energy independence perspective miles per gallon of gasoline may well be the bottom line.

MPGe based on btu efficiency may well be the "right" way to do it, but may really only matter to us engineering types who actually care about maximizing thermodynamic efficiency.

For those with a more environmental bent, well to wheels pollution or GHG emissions may be more relevant and will vary greatly depending on where your electricity comes from.

For those with a more economic bent, $/mi may mater most and will depend greatly on the relative costs of gas and electricity.

And I'm sure there are plenty more ways to look at it that aren't occurring to me right now

Its certainly worth bringing these topics up and discussing, but I think its also worth remembering that there's more than one "right" way.

 

One of our members, and one of my own PHEV buyers, asked me to post these three pics. His name is Jack. He's in Missouri! Looks like his mileage is awesome!

 

back to work again tonite. since i had .4 miles of range left yesterday. i decided to drive a little faster tonite. a little more acceleration and kept up with the speed limit. crawled into my garage with .1 left. when the battery icon switched from solid to barred, i thought the engine was going to come on.