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Fuel economy calculation when odometer is off?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Fuel Economy' started by F8L, Nov 2, 2012.

  1. F8L

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    So I wanted to present a question on calculating fuel economy when your odometer is off.

    There are a couple of ways this could happen but the most common scenario is you change tire size.

    Let's assume the Prius models Two-Four come equipped with a 195/65/15 and the odometer reads 100% accurate but the speedo reads 1.5mph - 2mph fast. Then you slap on a set of 205/50/17s (25.1") and now the odometer reads 0.8 miles lower than GPS readings (consistently) and the speedo is dead accurate.

    So over the course of a 48 mile trip the odometer reads 47.2 miles and the GPS reads 48.008 miles. How should I approach calculating fuel economy for the trip and more importantly over the course of a tank?

    Now let's assume someone uses a 215/45/17 (24.7") tire which is quite a bit shorter than the 195/65/15 (25") and the odometer now reads 0.8 miles higher than with the OE 15" tires. How would you adjust your fuel economy calculations? I do not know if the above error is correct. I am making assumptions based on the difference in tire size and how it affects the speedometer. If someone with a non-Five and a Five could measure this I was be grateful.
     
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    I really know next to nothing about tires. However, I really feel that GPS can be off quite a bit sometimes. When you throw in factors such as lots of turns, big hills, and simple inaccuracies in GPS and it can all add up. I think the only time you can trust GPS down to the inch would be on an extremely flat straight course and you are using a higher end GPS unit (phones have a pretty low end GPS chip).
     
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    I generally agree but in this case the trend is in the right directions and the last 3 trips I have measured were calculated at 0.715, 0.827 and 0.808 difference. We know that changing tire size will change the odometer reading. This is backed up by the fact that the speedo changes when using 215/45/17 tires (speedo error goes up) and 205/50/17 tires (speedo error goes down).
     
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    So basically, you want a way to measure distance travelled that is more accurate than the odometer.
    I suspect you've already got about the best you can reasonably do:

    You figure that the OEM tire size gets the mileage right on the odometer.
    To get the accurate distance travelled for a different tire size you divide the RevsPerMile(OEMtire) by RevsPerMile(Newtire). Take the quotient and multiply by the displayed odometer distance, and you should get the actual distance traveled.
    Then divide by gallons of gas and you should get real mpg.

    Lots of potential for error here--how accurate are rated revs per mile? How much do revs per mile change as the tread wears? (Someone in another thread said that this is not as much as you might think.) And of course, your original question--is your assumption that the OEM tire gave you an accurate odometer reading correct?

    Let us know if you can get a better answer than this (or if there's something wrong with my math).
     
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    kgall,

    I think your math is correct but here is where it gets dicey. The revs/mile for the OE 15" tire is 829. The revs/mile for my new tires is 829. Yet the speedometer works different with both tires. I think there is less circumferential "squashing" of the 15" tire or there is more growth in the 17" tire. Somehow the revs/mile is changing despite the revs/mile being rated the same. How else can I explain the roughly 1mph-1.5mph speedo difference?
     
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    I have a new Galaxy S3 phone and the mileage difference between the GPS and the odometer is still pretty constant at .8 miles off over 48 miles (computer) vs. 47.2 GPS. If I use a 48mile sample size and calculate the difference I see about 1.69% less miles being reported. Over the course of a full 500 mile tank that comes out to approx. 8.45miles and a 1mpg difference. Is my math correct?

    When comparing computer vs. hand calculations I observed an 8% error instead of the usual 5-6% error. I will have to track this better on future tanks. If this error is sustained then by proxy it is telling me that my odometer is off like I suspect.
     
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    My aftermarket pioneer head unit did the gps calculations for me, I just have to put in the amount of gas I filled up. I don't really log it anymore.

    I would use your 0.983 conversion factor on your odometer. With my odometer I read a little low compared to gps, but I have different tires than you, and my gps also records in parking garages etc as its hooked to the speed sensor.
     
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    Your tires are close enough to mine. In fact, I think the revs/mile rating on your tire is more accurate than mine. That would explain the speedo and odo error better. :)

    I made sure not to measure distance with GPS where tunnels are parking garages are present.
     
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    Eyeballing those numbers, they look about right. So that would mean your new tires are a bit bigger around than the old ones, if the old ones reported odometer distance correctly.
     
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    Aye, now I just need for a few people to check the numbers on the OE 15" tires and the OE 17" tires. Both with air pressure around 44psi. :)

    I used an app called GPD Odometer on my GS3 android phone.
     
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    Could someone please verify the accuracy of the odometer on a 2010-2012 GenIII with 15" 195/65/15 tires using a GPS unit/app with good accuracy? I've ran the GPS and the difference is pretty consistent. I would like to update my 17" Fuelly records but I want to ensure I am using the right correction factor. If the OE tires make the odometer accurate then I know my numbers are correct. Please list your tire pressure. Thanks in advance. :)
     
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    My last 4 tanks have all been within the normal 5% over-estimate range or so. Some would be even lower percentage wise if I used the correction factor.
     
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    My 2010, with Bridgestone tires, had its odometer reading about 0.2% lower than my GPS units and highway mile markers. My 2012 with Yokomaha tires is very similar. I think its error is slightly less, but I haven't yet recorded an I-90 test run.
     
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