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Discussion in 'Gen 1 Prius Plug-in 2012-2015' started by -1-, Apr 3, 2013.

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    -1- Don

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    :sick:Most owners are dismayed with Toyota's no spare tire decision for the PIP. Some owners have a year plus of ownership. Anyone willing to share a real life experience. I would assume they're rare. In my forty year driving experience, I can only recall two instances when I had a flat while driving. Both were caused by debris in the road.
     
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    Great new post! Thank you! I've been driving for 20+ years and never had an emergency flat that required a spare. That said, I was told (by the dealership) that the Prius's wheels are particularly delicate. Would love to hear if that's really true.
     
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    My most recent flat tire was in 2005 on my 1949 Ford running on 20 year-old tires. That was sure dumb (they had almost new tread). Before that, around 1995, on a driveway to a house in the woods a sharp stick made a large hole in a tire on my Toyota pickup. No gooey stuff and a pump would have fixed that. I have a 2010 Prius "doughnut" spare on a shelf. It goes in the back of my Prius Plug-in when we go out of the local metro area.
     
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    without the spare, the roadside assistance program is a must for me.
     
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    I hope your cell phone has really good coverage :)
     
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    Been driving for 15 years and have had 5 or so flat tires. I drive a whole lot though. I used to be a courier. A spare is a must for me. That goo will just be more complications and cost for me the next day.

    Granted I've only had one flat the last 5 years when I started driving late model cars rather than clunkers.
     
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    I recently had a flat with my 2004 Prius due to a pothole at speed (the tire was not repairable - goop would not have worked. It was later replaced for free as a road hazard failure). The doughnut spare went on, but lasted only a 1/4 mile when it and the rim were destroyed by another pot hole (NJ is a dangerous place to drive). You need a full-size spare as AAA may not be able to get you going again otherwise. I had to find and buy a replacement tire (now a spare) late on a Sunday afternoon!

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    Why won't the doughnut spare work, at least for reasonable roads?
     
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    How often have I had a flat in 20+ years, I recall 3 that left me stranded. Gains for consumers, weight reduction, possibly better MPG, and space? For car makers cost reduction? With TPMS these days, at least you know when you have a flat?

    A lot of automakers are going that way. I don't own a Plug In but considered removing my spare to reduce weight.
     
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    There are other issues as well. My wife used the doughnut on her Subaru, This resulted in a $1000 repair to the AWD transfer case. A limited slip differential would also be damaged by a continuous difference in rotational rate caused by dissimilar tire circumference.

    The issue I had with the Prius is that the doughnut rim is very soft metal and was bent by a small bump in the road. The doughnut's narrow side walls do not provide much protection from road irregularities. You are much better off with a full size spare.

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    When they include a spare I'll consider buying one.
     
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    I wonder how those thousands of non-plug-in Prius have managed to deal with the problems of the doughnut spare? That type of spare tire has been included since the first Prius was sold years ago.
     
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    AWD system is quite different than Prius.

    Also, this is a spare to get to service station and that's it. I've seen idiots driving over 75 mph with these on!
     
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    Having almost that much driving experience myself, I think that is an indication of age-related fading memory, not lack of flat tires. :)
    I know plenty of places where no cell phone yet has coverage. I've been driving in them since before cell phones were invented, and am not ready to quit going there.
     
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    Luckily tire failures are relatively rare. I have only had one in over 60 years of driving. Had I had a full size spare, it would have been a non-event. Flats happen more often. These days usually slow leaks due to a nail or screw which can be temporarily handled by an air compressor (which I carry in my car as part of a jumper battery).

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    good point, most of my tire issues have been slow puncture leaks. With the TPMS that should alert me in advance to avoid tire failure caused by the small puncture.
     
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    :)I stated in my original post,
    "In my forty year driving experience, I can only recall two instances when I had a flat while driving. Both were caused by debris in the road." That was while driving. I've had other instances where I realized a tire was low on air with a nail, etc. while parked.


     
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    Like others I haven't had a flat for at least 15 years.
    I got the PIP March 2012 and didn't have a problem not having a Spare since I had Toyota Care.

    Then in June I had a flat. DAMN.
    Toyota sent a flatbed and the dealer fixed it for $25.
    I was without the car for 10 hours.

    Then 4 weeks later the same tire was flat again.
    This time I was able to drive it to the Dealer and they fixed it for another $25 since they found another screw in the tire. Either I had some BAD LUCK or it's an enemy of Green Technology !!!

    No problems since then.

    I would NEVER use the Sealant.
     
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    Been driving 20 years. 5 years ago, I had a flat tire one hour east of Bismarck, ND, in my Oldsmobile. The sidewall was cracked, defective, ergo, no fix-a-flat could have saved me. So, I put on my spare and slowly drove 3 hours to the next town with a Walmart and got an in-warranty replacement (free of charge). Had there been no spare, I would have been stranded for hours, perhaps overnight. Yesterday, I bought a spare tire for my PIP on eBay, $75 ($40 of that is shipping). -- Updated: The spare that was sent is the wrong size. Got my money back and they said 'keep the spare.' It costs more to ship than its worth.