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2010 new 12v battery still getting triangle "!" And p lock malfunction

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by EGGS, Nov 1, 2015.

  1. EGGS

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    Error messages on my dash were originally the triangle exclamation and - p lock malfunction when parking , park in a flat place and apply parking brake securely -

    I've read numerous threads on this most of them seem to say the message comes up because the 12v battery is bad . 5 year old car 80k (my scan gauge was showing 13.1-14.2v)so I figured sounds right so I changed it . New battery 190$ later and a quick swap and now I'm getting "check hybrid system , the p lock message and triangle exclamation point .so I disconnected the power wire and it seemed to reset and remove the check hybrid system only . But I'm still getting the other two messages .
    Scan gauge shows no codes . 14.4v . car shifts into gear no problem . Regenerative braking still works although I only put 5-7 miles on it since the new battery the scan gauge shows normal Fuel economy.
    Do I have to drive a certain distance to reset the computer ? Press a button ?

    I'm starting to think this isn't battery related .possible something more expensive
     

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    What's the voltage of the new battery? Just because the battery is new, it does not mean it's not drained. A fully charged battery should be at least 12.9 volts at rest.
     
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    how are you going about the 12v battery test? is it car off, after several hours?
     
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    Search for "p-lock". There was a thread about a month ago and that owner had a failed part - a relay as I recall.
     
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    vols are were checked on my scan gauge with the car in acc mode 12.9 12.8 etc... all good ranges ironically the batteries in my multi-meter were also dead
    found it
    Red Traingle with a message that there is a problem with the transmission"P" lock mechanism | PriusChat

    it just says pull the 7.5a fuse .not which one . besides would a battery disconnect interrupt power essentially doing the same thing ?
     
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    Went to my local mechanic and he scanned the car for me . For some reason my scanguage didn't pick up any codes . But his picked up a c2303 short in power source relay circuit . It also stated that the code cannot be reset with the scan tool that I had to remove P con main fuse from the the engine room junction block and wait 60 seconds to clear code . Searching around its a 7.5a fuse under the hood in position 11 (pic attached ) pulled it for a few minutes. Still no good pulled it again and used a new 7.5a fuse , still no good .


    My wife knowing this is super frustrating for me called my local Toyota service center randomly explained the problem and they claim that the "computer needs to be reset after getting a new battery so it can 'learn the new battery ' " it's. Hour and $110 .

    Learn the new battery ?
     

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    No. There is no "battery learning". It's possible the Prius now holds some codes even if the 12V battery is disconnected. If so, they have to use the Toyota Tech tool to reset the code. That's a 10 min. job max. but they may insist on one hour min. charge, and that's in the $100 area (shop rates are now around $100 per hour).

    It's sounding like replacing the 12V battery is now a dealer service job. :( Unless you catch it before it goes completely dead, and put another 12V source on the car while replacing the battery.
     
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    I'd get new battery for the multimeter, and check/post the "car off" battery voltage, for the new battery, and the old one, if it's still around.

    How often were/are you getting this dash warning, ie: is it intermittent, once in a while, or steady?
     
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    I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying something will be hooped if the car has the 12 volt power interrupted? I've intentionally done that when working on brakes, without undue problems, other than loss of trip meter data, radio presets, and maybe auto power window needs relearning.

    If you want to preserve memories, say during a battery swap, there's DIY options. One of the sweetest is a cord with OBD plug at one end, and 12 volt accessory plug at the other. You plug into a jump pack, lay it in the driver's foot well. Indicator light on the cord confirms your connections and power.
     
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    its not even before it dies .its before you get the warning . I got the error message which is what spawned the witch hunt . the car never died . runs and drives normal . i cycled half a tank of gas through it since the message came up . all normal parameters voltage ,mpg etc...(the battery must be sealed $190 at pepboys (i found a 30% off coupon ,paid 160ish)
    it came on once Sunday morning and has not yet shut off . the thing that makes it so pressing is it even stays on when i shut the car off and leave it parked for periods of time . but not every time i shut the car off .
    im going to pick up a 9V at lunch today to check it .
     
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    Kinda reluctant to ask, don't want to add to your problems, but: is the new battery AGM style, and has the vent port?
     
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    I just connect my "alarm battery" to the boost point under the hood when messing with the 12V battery. You -DO- have to be careful though, first to get the polarity right, and second, to make sure you don't ground the +12V battery cable (it stays energized).

    Don't know what this "p-warning" is all about either. It's the "park lock" mechanism electrical control. Maybe the park-lock is sticking and draining the 12V trying to fully lock after the car is shut down? If so, the warning will still be there after replacing the 12V battery. And it may still drain down the new 12V battery.

    I think you need to keep hunting.
     
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    old battery after sitting in my trunk -unconnected - since sunday evening is reading 12.7v the new battery after car the rests is 12.77

    yes agm style and i hooked the vent line back up .

    I'm still hunting . Thank for the input
     
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    sounds like the old one is fine. does it change when you hook it up?

    might this have anything to do with a door/hatch or parking brake switch?

    you need tech stream to get all the toyota codes and reset things.
     
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    is tech stream different than what my mechanic used ? he found the code and it gave instructions on clearing it . seems like toyota might have this market cornered .

    12.7 v last night and 12.7 this morning. i even figured out how to get the warning light off the dash after i shut the car off . tapping the home button after the car shuts off on the scanguage . I don't know why but it makes me less worried about parking the car over night and a possible drain on the battery . and btw Fuel economy went UP wit all of this going on . i hit 65mpg on ride home last night o_O
     
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    I'm really confused by this thread but I have the P Lock Malfunction problem and am looking for a solution. But you are saying you could drive your car? How?

    Mine won't let me do anything because of the P Lock Malfunction message. It's Wednesday and I think the last time I drove it was Saturday... ? Can't remember driving anywhere since then.
     
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    you need a new 12v.
     
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    The parking lock is an actual thing. You've probably noticed your Gen 3's steering wheel never locks and you can turn the steering even with the car off. They eliminated the theft-resistant steering lock most cars have, and used a theft-resistant transmission park lock instead. It's locked and unlocked by a switched-reluctance motor mounted on the front of the transmission (with theft-resistant bolt covers too). A switched-reluctance motor isn't easy to hotwire by just holding a battery to it; like a stepper motor, it needs to be fed the right sequence of pulses by the transmission control ECU. So, any problem with the motor itself, the linkage, the wiring from ECU to motor, that ECU itself, or the power feeding it, could be involved. The Repair Manual will have steps for narrowing down the search for the cause.

    Replacing the 12 volt battery is a popular first alternative on PriusChat, hoping to get lucky and never have to diagnose an actual problem. If it does the trick and the code never comes back, you win ... otherwise, it was maybe worth a try, and now it's just time to take the actual code over to the manual and start doing the diagnostic work. On my own car, unless there's some obvious, unmistakable reason to think it could be a battery problem, I just skip straight to diagnosing the problem the code is about. But many swear by the fuss-with-battery-first idea.

    -Chap
     
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    My car "started " and drove just with a error message on the dash . The final solution was a transmission relay . Under the hood on the drivers side . There is a panel with a long relay in it . My mechanic replaced it ( not by coincidence. I found a hybrid specialist ) and haven't seen the problem since .

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    Found the pics . The white relay needed to be replaced . Toyota updated the part number and I don't remember of that photo contains the dated or updated part number .

    Hope that helps
     

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