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Prius Prime Short Test Drive Review

Discussion in 'Prime Main Forum (2017-2022)' started by 'LectroFuel, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. JamesBurke

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    Easy, just raise the door sill up level with the battery deck like Hyundai did and brag how you got the deck down to the door sill level.

    Danny's backpack photo's give scale to the rear hatch area. Compared the the Cmax thing I saw at the Mother Earth News Fair 3 years age it's huge. (The area behind the seats). Saw a Cmax today, thought it was a V at first, then saw all the stuff piled in the rear glass.
     
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    Really? The prime hatch is aggressively slopped while the CMax has a more vertical design like the v.

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    3 ways actually. plug, regen and charge mode, where the engine is force charging the battery.
    i don't recall reading how long it takes to force charge.
    it probably depends on the operating mode at the time, and what % full/empty the battery is.
    i think level 2 plug is 2 1/2 hours from empty, but all charging starts quickly, and slows down as you fill up.
     
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    #4 possibility? CHG mode while driving downhill. :p
     
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    combo mode.(y)
     
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    I'd rather charge the Prime when driving, if possible. Wouldn't want to pay for extra electricity and gas.
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    The shelf was really high, like cooktop high. https://blog.consumerguide.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/03/73.jpg And poor visibility out the back. I sat in the back seats as the Ford guy drove around Seven Springs Resort. All these plugins are going to be cramped for space in some way. Maybe its just finding the one that fits what you want to carry.
     
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    it's not efficient, even with low gas prices. your electric price would have to be sky high to make charge mode worth while. it's handy for mountainous driving, where you can fill up if necessary and have plenty of battery power for climbing.
    or for entering an ev only city, which we don't have on this side of the pond, afaik.
     
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    There is a post here somewhere from a few days ago that quoted Toyota saying charge mode would use 1/4 to 1/3 a gallon of gas to charge to 80%. If by 80% they meant of the normal EV SoC then that would be say 20 miles worth of recharge for a MPG of 60 to 80 for the gas used. Really?

    edit vid sounds better with headphones. 80% total pack recharge mode. 1/4 to 1/3 gal. on flat hwy at speed. regen 60% stronger coasting/braking. Increased battery degradation using charge mode.
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    I want to see if these things can EV up and down the mountains here (I-68) while recharging over the crests and through the valleys. Trying to eliminate the screaming ICE/hybrid battery recharge that usually happens about half way up and kills the MPG (G2/G3). Maintaining a high SoC will allow both electric motors to be used. I can see where this would be hard on the batteries though. In another way I Just want to trade many short hybrid ICE recharge cycles for one long one at the place of my choosing and be able to go all EV in the urban stop and go traffic where I might be headed.

    Thinly padded rear seats? More of a problem for those of us who are also thinly padded or for those who are mostly padded? I'd only be sitting back there if you were driving anyway.

    Hmm. So the HB is unavailable do to the "Recall" so only the Prime will be seen on dealer lots in a few weeks. Hmm.
     
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    if that's correct, at 24 cents/ kWh, it would be cheaper for me to charge with the engine than plug. but i still don't want to buy the oil.
     
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    The CHG mode is a necessary feature because it constantly charges the battery as you drive without the engine turning off.
     
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    I doubt charging with CHG mode will be faster than plugging it in. Electricity is relatively cheap and gas prices are going to go up eventually. The way the engine revved in CHG mode; it didn't sound like it was at idle, for example, sitting in your gen 4 with the engine running. Knowing the Prius engine tops out at 5,000 (I think?), the engine was probably revving at 1,200 RPM. It sounded like if you were lightly accelerating, but constantly. Sort of confusing, but in short, the engine was revving loudly (I could constantly hear the engine while stopped).
     
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    I found some pictures...

    Notice how high the load floor is (maybe 2 inches higher). I forgot to add that at the lip of the raised trunk floor (near the hatch lock), there is an empty compartment that is made for the tonneau trunk cover. It the cover fits perfectly.
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    Showing how large the trunk is with the seats UP. I think to see the difference in load height, you would have to be standing in person looking at the trunk. The tonneau compartment is the lip at the edge of the trunk.
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    A look at the 2016 Prius. Notice how much larger the side intruding things are compared to the Prime. The Prime shows the top half of these things. Sorry, I don't know what they are. They are up too high to be the wheel wells. The trunk is also much lower.
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    I gotta admit, folding down the seats make it much bigger.
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    2016 Prius with seats UP and DOWN.
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    There are also under-floor trays on the left and the right. The left one comes with the tire repair kit in it.
     
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    For the Prime? I missed that
     
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    Oh, I see it in the 2nd pic. Still smaller than the gen 4
     
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    Well that makes it 4 !
    Don't forget the solar roof,I'm sure the US will get it eventually.
     
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    Yes but not really worth mentioning,exept they are deeper in the production model !
     
  20. Tideland Prius

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    Yes probably, if they were willing to make an oddly shaped battery (thinner under the rear seats and a bit thicker, but still fitting under the cargo floor for the cargo area)

    The Prius v battery in the centre console is tiny.

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    compare to the PiP's battery

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    Recall that even though capacity in the Prime is 2x, the weight is only 60% heavier and the volume is 80% larger so there have been improvements there in battery density. Hopefully Prime 1.5 or 3rd gen can shrink it down further to maybe the size of the PiP above but with 3x the capacity.

    Yes

    Not sure it'll be the most efficient but I think Danny said it was showing about 40mpg while in CHG mode.
     
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