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CARB warranty - Does it mean anything anymore?

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    wjtracy Senior Member

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    Gen1 and Gen2 and Gen3 readers will recall the complex Toyota CARB warranty rules, you had to buy the Prius in CARB state to get the extended 150k miles warranty. I was an expert on that craziness.

    But I am way out-of-date. Does it still matter what state you buy the Prius? How about other Toyota hybrids eg RAV4HV (my current wheels)?
     
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    I think it matters a little to PHEV and BEV owners.....
     
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    What year Prius are you asking about? Newer Prius still have this coverage in CARB states.
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    In the past, a Prius purchased in a non-CARB state wouldn't get the CARB warranty when moved to a CARB state. Even though there is no CARB and federal version of the car. It was just to save Toyota on warranty claims. The question is whether that is still the case.
     
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    Yes and the main concern was getting 150k mile HV batt warranty, but there were other hybrid components as well.
    Recently some Ca buyers were talking about going to nearby non-CARB states for RAV4HV for example. Years ago with PiP those Ca buyers looking for low cost went Maryland for CARB warranty equivalence.
     
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    For Example:

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    See Toyota.com for details.
    I don't think people want the 60+ page Warranty guide to be plastered in a thread. :)
     
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    What I see for Prius Prime different compared to the past
    (1) Hybrid Batt equal 150k miles for CARB/non-CARB states
    (2) No explicit wording that you have to purchase in a CARB state to get the CARB warranty,
    but it seems to leave open to the imagination how Toyota interprets vehicles that qualify for CARB in the case where the vehicle has moved to different state.

    RAV4HV looks similar, maybe some differences, but looks like we all also have 150k on HVBatt now.
    So Toyota has removed the shorter HV Batt warranty for non-CARB cars.

    In summary, with equivalence on the HV Batt warranty, it is a little hard to see if there is any need to purchase a Prius Prime in a CARB state, maybe: I assume all Prime are created equal (all CARB certified).

    What I cannot tell for sure on RAV4HV, are all of the USA vehicles CARB certified vehicles? If you live in Ca, you want a CARB certified vehicle. With Prius historically in USA they were all CARB certified, so they all qualified for CARB warranty (except for Toyotas rules about who was entitled based on state of purchase/state of registration, etc).
     
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    I am not a lawyer.
    I'm a geek researcher/engineer/geek/geek, and geek. :)
    However, for the past zillion years, I've been reading and writing technical papers.


    So, some notes:
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    A)
    For non-CARB states, the battery warranty is 10 years or 150K miles, whichever comes first.
    For CARB states, the battery warranty is 15 years or 150K miles, whichever comes first.

    B)
    A number of times in the document:
    Vehicles equipped with a California Certified Emission Control System that are registered and operated in California or any state that adopts California emission warranty provisions are covered by this warranty.
    Currently, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington are the other states to which this warranty applies.

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    If a vehicle is purchased in a non-CARB state, then the vehicle may not have a California Certified Emission Control System.
    Even though the vehicle/design is 100% the same, that does not guarantee that every vehicle has a California Certified Emission Control System.

    All parts have tolerances.
    To be a California Certified system, it could very likely require additional emissions testing at the factory.
    That would a greater number of expensive test stations, and a longer length of time to test. Time is money.

    Fwiw, for Toyota, they have a "any vehicle" in the assembly line process.
    So, the assembly line can be Rav4, Prius, Prius, Camry, and so on.
    Plus, Toyota sells by their reputation for quality. Heck, by a Honda, they're cheaper. What, you like to waste money? :)
    So, unlike GM, Ford, MB, BMW, VW, etc, I would not be surprised if Toyota did go that extra step. However, that does not mean that Toyota actually did go that extra step. Just that I would not be surprised. :)


    Good Luck to all!
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    Well I am a retired geek engineer researcher.
    >>Check again on your part A, I am seeing 10-yrs in both cases for HV Batt. Are you sure 15-yrs?

    As far as CARB certified, I think that boils down to the emissions stickers under the hood, and if your sticker in a CARB state looks the same as my sticker in Virginia? In the old days (Gen1-2-3) we knew we all had the same stickers under there, meaning CARB certified.

    Thanks!
     
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    The emissions get certified when the car model is certified to be sold in the country or state.

    Cars get an EPA engine that is on one of those stickers under the hood. It can also be found on the Fueleconomy.gov listing under energy and environment when you select a state. For Alabama and California, the Rav4 Prime has the same engine code, which means it's the same engine and emission systems.

    With the emission standards being very close, and the power loss of conforming to CARB emissions gone, very few cars had a separate CARB and federal version these days. A manufacturer could choose to certify to a lower standard for federal states, in order to reduce warranty fees, but the car is still as clean as the CARB model.
     
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    Presumably though Toyota could choose to put a different sticker in non-CARB states, that would allow them to only honor the CARB warranty if the sticker was CARB state, I have no idea of course, in the past all Prii had the same stickers. But now that RAV4, Avalon, Sienna, Venza, Corolla? etc are avail as hybrids, I wonder how it works now.
     
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    Pretty sure that would get them in trouble if they didn't also certify the car has having a different emission system for the different sticker with the EPA. GM mislabeled one of the EPA stickers in my Sonic's engine bay. They had to do a recall, and mail out correct stickers to owners, and the owners could take it to a dealer if they weren't comfortable doing it themselves.
     
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    See:
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    Is my Car a California or Federal Emissions Vehicle?
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    1A Auto explains which emissions standard applies to your vehicle…
    
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    My 2020 RAV4HV sticker in non-CARB Virginia says it conforms to
    Federal T3B30
    California SULEV30