Cruise and FSD

FSD in a recent acronym that is not in general use.
Please spell it out at least ONCE in a post where it is used.
Thanks.
(What IS it ??)

 

A Cruise car tries to not collide with a fire truck, with front red lights on, heading towards it in the oncoming lane, and fails to do so. Authorities has GM reduce the number of operating cars in a city wide pilot program. A number that didn't exceed 300 cars on the roads of San Francisco.

Teslas using Autopilot and FSD have collided with parked firetrucks, and even pedestrians. They seem to get into more crashes than all the other manufacturer's cars using an ADAS. That number of crashes did increase with the roll out of FSD. And Tesla continues to sell thousands of cars with FSD.
Tesla 'Autopilot' crashes and fatalities surge, despite Musk's claims - The Washington Post

 

From the WP, "The uptick in crashes coincides with Tesla’s aggressive rollout of Full Self-Driving, which has expanded from about 12,000 users to nearly 400,000 in a little more than a year. Nearly two-thirds of all driver-assistance crashes that Tesla has reported to NHTSA occurred in the past year."

That's a 33 times increase in cars with FSD, and a 3 times increase in crashes. From a 30% increase in car sales.

Back to the OP

These, FSD and Cruise, aren't comparable. GM's robotaxis are Level 5 automated cars being used in limited regions, with oversight from the local authorities to develop and certify the system. Despite the name and Musk's implications, FSD is just level 2, and as long as Tesla refuses the outside scrutiny for certification, that is all it every be.

What has happened with Cruise here is just part of the process, and is not a severe set back for all.

 

Musk announced recently that in (only) Q3, you will be able to transfer your FSD to another Telsa vehicle.

 

What under body panel damage do you have?
Curious, because I have some minor damage too

Mike

 

I linked this same article two months ago:

WaPo: 17 fatalities, 736 crashes: The shocking toll of Tesla’s Autopilot
Tesla’s driver-assistance system, known as Autopilot, has been involved in far more crashes than previously reported

Also:

"In a March presentation, Tesla claimed Full Self-Driving crashes at a rate at least five times lower than vehicles in normal driving, in a comparison of miles driven per collision. That claim, and Musk’s characterization of Autopilot as “unequivocally safer,” is impossible to test without access to the detailed data that Tesla possesses.

Autopilot, largely a highway system, operates in a less complex environment than the range of situations experienced by a typical road user."

Tesla didn't comment for that WaPo article, and it appears that this Tesla safety page has not been updated since. Or even since January.

This sudden increase revealed this year, combined with last year's article about AP aborting control less than a second before crashes, leads some skeptics to wonder if this skews (shrinks) the claimed AP-associated crash rate, and raises more questions about the coverage and validity of the Tesla's claimed safety reports.

Tesla should respond to these issues about its crash reporting. Have you seen any updated "facts and data" since then? Or any data at all since 2022Q4?

 

I see your sleight of hand.

Notice carefully: the 2023 Tesla Model 3 is just a 2022 Top Safety Pick+:

2022 TOP SAFETY PICKs

It is conspicuously absent from the updated 2023 Top Safety Pick+ winners list:

2023 TOP SAFETY PICKs

Fortunately for those who require this updated top rating, the 2023 Tesla Model Y, and 40 non-Tesla models, do have this 2023 rating.​

 

Um... it looks like they have reported on the 2023 and Tesla Model 3 isn't there, only the Model Y?

 

Grasping at straws?

The Model Y and plenty of other models were evaluated and made the 2023 "+" list without their current model year being crash tested. A half dozen models appear to have not made this list at the very start of the model year, but stepped up to it with production changes, after various dates ranging from October 2022 to May 2023.

The Model 3 failed that same evaluation for the "+" rating, dropping out of the Top 40. At least it did retain the next tier score of Top Safety Pick.

None of this addresses the suspicions that Tesla just might have been 'cooking the books' on its purported crash statistics, or why it seems that its primary public response since some of those suspicions bubbled up at WaPo has been to cease posting quarterly updates to that safety page.

I very much doubt that an FSD software update will get the Model 3 stepped up to the IIHS "+" list, when this rating doesn't require AP or FSD in the first place. And Model Y made it on last year's software.

Otherwise, I'll believe it when IIHS posts it. Several other maker's models stepped up to this list with production change dates months later than shown in this NHTSA posting

 

...... is the aborting of autopilot just one second before crashes implying that the AP code is deliberately doing this to avoid possibility of blaming crashes on autopilot?
...... or - might it (AP disengaging) happen because drivers that may not have been paying attention (a few seconds before likely crashes) determine an impending crash & therefore finally pay attention yanking the wheel / hitting the breaks etc .... which then disengages AP ?
wouldn't the former (if true) be a type of fraud ?
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Tesla does say in their stats that it
counts any crash in which Autopilot was deactivated within 5 seconds before impact. They also count any type of impacts so this means even when a vehicle is stop at a red light and it's rear ended.

 

That is one of the smells. Even if only the tin-foil-hat brigade smells it, it ought to be publicly addressed. Did I miss the response somewhere?

"The NHTSA report also shows that "in the majority of incidents" among those 16 under close investigation, the Teslas activated their forward collision warnings and automated emergency braking systems, so it wasn't as though the drivers were given zero time to react, though it isn't mentioned how far in advance of impact those kicked on. In 11 of the crashes, none of the drivers took any action between two and five seconds before impact, indicating they, like Autopilot, didn't detect the impending collisions, either." [emphasis added]

Linked here:

 

That's good to know. Takes away the chance of hanky panky.
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