2023/4 Prius Prime vs. used Volt?

Got cigar, and memory was correct. I distinctly remember when the 19 came out they said faster level 2 available. As you can see the charger is 3.6 kw, and the 7.2 is standard on 2019 Premier and optional on LT. Not easy to find those but they are out there.
I like the styling of the Volt 2. And my first version definitely had very little road noise and was solid as a rock on the road. Never trickle charged my Volt 12 volt, didn’t need to. The reason for me thinking the charging was 3.8 is the Chargepoint station I used to go to showed them charging at that. They show my 2020 Prime I bought used at 3.5 kw. Memory is not bad.
Got to do our homework before posting.

https://www.auto-brochures.com/makes/Chevrolet/Volt/Chevrolet_US%20Volt_2018.pdf

https://www.auto-brochures.com/makes/Chevrolet/Volt/Chevrolet_US%20Volt_2019.pdf

 

The whole point of your thread was how a used Volt—from "½ a decade ago"—fared against the new Prius Prime. I pointed out that it did not have ACC, LCA, and highway AEB, which would be a deal-breaker for me. And the rest of the electronic safety features are only optional.

My 2021 Prius Prime Limited with TSS 2.0 has all that plus more, including all the optional Volt features.

 

Actually, comparing my Gen 4 NCF to @Hammersmith's Gen 5 NCF excerpt, they are identical except "air conditioning" is replaced by "refrigerant" in Gen 5 NCF. So, I stand corrected.

It would be nice to look at the system diagram in Gen 5 NCF to see if they used a second evaporator in Gen 5.

 

It is good to know that it was only a perception, and, in addition to your beloved Tesla Model 3, you love all Prius models and trims from Gen 0 to Gen 6+.

 

Throw it off the tracks, my great uncle homesteaded in Circle, Montana. They had four sons, only one could find a woman to marry out there. Czech cowboys. It’s actually hilarious, European immigrants running around with cowboy hats.
The Prime Limited has all the way around sonar. I love that feature. The Volt 2 Premier optioned out got pretty close. The other thing deal breaking for me trading my 2020 Prime for a 2019 Volt Premier with all the options is the rear seat. Has a hump in the middle. I want a flat rear seat. Just kidding I am astounded by my thrifty Toyota and it's cost of fuel.

 

Ah, the glory days!

 

What are you guys even arguing about?

 

Exactly! Its a Gen 5 forum....let's get back to that subject, please.

 

Cause Toyota was fixated on the Japanese market, ignoring what others had accomplished elsewhere. The gen4 only got the 25 or so miles of EV range because Toyota USA made a fuss about what they were presented being unsellable here.

The drop in battery costs helps.

Longer range is easier to do in a SUV PHEV, because of the extra space underneath. R&D costs for modifying the chassis for better battery packaging were more than what Ford wanted to pay with the Energis. Toyota's aforementioned tunnel vision left them with no time to even try with the gen4.

Then some may have blamed GM closing a factory on the Volt.

 

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Pretty sure I stated the 25 miles range was a good balance of cost, weight, and performance when it came out. The issue isn't in that, but the packaging.

The PiP had a 4.4kWh battery with about 11 miles of EV range. It fit under the cargo floor of the gen3. Toyota was considering similarly sized battery and range. Toyota USA wasn't consulted until the design was basically done. Their demand for more range and deadlines to release dates meant Toyota could only throw the battery in the back, losing 6 to 7 cubic feet of cargo space. This comes from a member here that was at a prerelease event, and spoke to executives there. Comment buried in one of those threads.

If Toyota had been working on longer range from the beginning, they could have had packaging similar to what we see in the gen5.

The space loss is what the C-max Energi had. A model that had already been out years already. In Ford's case, they were cash strapped. They were still recovering from nearly going under. That is why they had skipped on doing an Escape hybrid at the time.The C-max had been out in Europe for some time as an ICE model, not even a hybrid option. Ford just did the best conversion they could with limited resources. The Fusion may have been designed for a hybrid, but they were still putting the battery in the trunk.

 

obviously, volt wasn't successful, or they would still be making it, or at least a version of it.
gm is famous for cancelling cars that owners love, but unfortunately are not profitable enough.

toyota is committed to prius until they aren't. as long as they sell enough to satisfy carb, it will probably hang around, but will they ever increase production to demand?

 

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The Volt drivetrain is still being used in a Buick for China.

The Volt was selling at about the same numbers as the gen4 Prius Prime. I wouldn't call that a failure in that segment. What happened was that GM sedan sales had dropped to those levels. GM decided to cancel those to focus more on the SUVs that people were buying.

Guess what was being made at the factory with the Volt?

The Volt was selling well enough that with the improvements between the generations, continuing the model can be justified. They weren't enough sales to keep a factory open alone though, nor enough to move production to another factory. If the Volt had been assembled in factory with SUV models, it might still be in production. Then again, GM could have figured the loss of the federal tax credit would drop sales too much.

Reminds me of something David Letterman said to Jon Stewart when Jon's first show on MTV was cancelled (paraphrased), "Being cancelled doesn't mean you failed."

 

it doesn't mean failure, but success is not always the opposite.

gen 4 prime sales are no indicator of success, as is made obvious by changes to gen 5.
i make no reference to volt mechanicals, good or bad. the fact is that gm didn't see the sales numbers as worthwhile, whatever the factory conditions were at the time. cash cows are never cancelled under any circumstances.
toyota will eventually give up on prius if things don't change, unless their stubborn leadership refuses to lose face.
that doesn't mean gm always does the right thing either, all companies blunder their way through time.

 

True, if the Volt made enough, they'd find away to keep selling it in the US. It is just that most posts and reports about its cancellation are made that the decision was solely the result of the Volt's failure, while ignoring there were even bigger decisions being made at GM that impacted the Volt. Might as well claim the Impala was cancelled because the Volt was. Then those posts also forget the Voltec system is still being used in other markets.

Maybe the Volt was going to be cancelled anyway. GM didn't think it was worth the millions to move production after all.

Toyota made a similar decision when they decided not to move Prius production to North America. Now it will cost them more to get federal incentives for the Prius Prime.