Gen 5 Prius Prime will charge almost twice slower than Gen 4 Prius Prime

Was there anything else to say about the onboard charger and charge rate? That topic derailed when some snark was given more attention than warranted.

Thought of moving here, 2022 Prius vs. 2023 Prius price comparison | PriusChat but that would involve lots of quoting for new readers going to that thread.

Li-ion costs that low come about with a huge investment in the supply(Tesla), or there is a deal to buy other components from the battery cell supplier(Bolt). Neither of those apply to Toyota. Li-ion costs have also increased some with the increased demand with EVs, in addition to the inflation factor.

The Rav4 Prime SE is $9000 more than the hybrid SE. 5kWH of battery, a faster charger, and more powerful front motor aren't going to add up to $6000.

 

There is maybe one or two features the Rav4 Prime SE has that the hybrid SE does not.

Toyota not selling EV's won't hurt adoption. It hasn't hurt yet.

 

Toyota split the difference on our pricing estimates. You were $1900 low(on the SE), I was $2000 high(across the board). Kirk Kriefels was way high.

 

Conversely...

At 133 MPGe plug-to-wheels, and 3.3 kW, the Gen 4 charges at 13.0 MPH.

At 127 MPGe plug-to-wheels, and 3.5 kW, the Gen 5 SE charges at 13.2 MPH - faster, not slower. (However, the XSE and XSE Premium charge at 11.8 MPH, slower.)

 

I'm late to the game here, but only received my 2024 in January. We have learned our house's electrical system was flawed and charging to Primes on one circuit...is a bad thing.

So we're upgrading the house's circuitry. BUT....my owners' manual says the max input is 8A, while yours says max is 16A. What's a girl to believe? (Why does it matter? Because I need to know whether I'm installing a 220v 20a system, or need something larger to charge two cars on a single circuit.)

 

i have no context, but i suspect that page is for the adjustable 8 or 12amp 120v charging, which they offer because some 120v circuits won't handle 12 amps, or there may be other appliances on the circuit being used at the same time.
you should be able to change that setting in your car.
as for 240v (220v is a misnomer) the electrician will need to know the maximum charging rate of each car, which should be in the specs. it will definitely need more than a 20 amp breaker and related wire size.

 

Afraid you are reading that table wrong. It is listing the default setting for a feature, and what the owner can change it too.

For charging current, the default is the max the car will take, which depends on what outlet type the car is plugged into. Level 1 charging uses a standard outlet. Those are rated for 15 amps, but the code limits continuous draw to 20% less than the rating. So the Prime will charge at 12amps when using that outlet. Level 2 is anything that supplies more current than what a standard outlet can provide. Then the max is limited by the charger in the car, which is 16amps in this case.

You can change to charging current setting from max to 8 amps in one of the menus. Charging will be slower, but if the circuit is used for other things or of questionable repair, using a lower amperage can avoid tripping the breaker or other issues.

For a circuit, you add up the amps everything going on it can draw, and then install one of at least that at least supplies the additional 20% safety buffer. For two Prius Primes at the same time, that will be a 40 amp circuit.