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Gen 5 Prius Prime will charge almost twice slower than Gen 4 Prius Prime

Discussion in 'Gen 5 Prius Main Forum' started by Gokhan, Mar 5, 2023.

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    Was there anything else to say about the onboard charger and charge rate? That topic derailed when some snark was given more attention than warranted.

    Thought of moving here, 2022 Prius vs. 2023 Prius price comparison | PriusChat but that would involve lots of quoting for new readers going to that thread.
    Li-ion costs that low come about with a huge investment in the supply(Tesla), or there is a deal to buy other components from the battery cell supplier(Bolt). Neither of those apply to Toyota. Li-ion costs have also increased some with the increased demand with EVs, in addition to the inflation factor.

    The Rav4 Prime SE is $9000 more than the hybrid SE. 5kWH of battery, a faster charger, and more powerful front motor aren't going to add up to $6000.
     
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    I am not sure what you are referring to, but the purpose of the OP was to provide charging specs for Gen 4 and Gen 5. It took me sometime to dig the Gen 5 charging specs from the Japanese websites, and I thought people would find it useful. Again, slow/fast refers to charging time (hours) here, and charging power (kilowatts) is not a unit of time as some people wanted it to base slow/fast on it; therefore, I don't think my thread title was misleading.
     
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    I hope Toyota is not trying to pull an RAV4 Prime trick with the Prius Prime and gouge the price. RAV4 Prime is an entirely different vehicle than RAV4 and comes fully loaded.

    I hope the price difference between Prius and Prius Prime will be about $3,000 for comparably equipped models. Anything higher does not make much sense for a PHEV and will curb the EV adoption.
     
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    There is maybe one or two features the Rav4 Prime SE has that the hybrid SE does not.

    Toyota not selling EV's won't hurt adoption. It hasn't hurt yet.
     
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    After seeing the official numbers posted today, my numbers were spot on! :)
     
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    Toyota split the difference on our pricing estimates. You were $1900 low(on the SE), I was $2000 high(across the board). Kirk Kriefels was way high.
     
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    Conversely...

    At 133 MPGe plug-to-wheels, and 3.3 kW, the Gen 4 charges at 13.0 MPH.

    At 127 MPGe plug-to-wheels, and 3.5 kW, the Gen 5 SE charges at 13.2 MPH - faster, not slower. (However, the XSE and XSE Premium charge at 11.8 MPH, slower.)
     
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    Ha ha, forget about the vehicle analysts. We know much better here on PriusChat then they do. ;)
     
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    Once again, the charging time in the original post referred to the charging time for 100% battery SOC—not the charging time per mile.